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Vickers artillery tractor
Hello,
Please take a look at this picture (not complete and not very good quality - but it's all I have) of a Vickers Artillery Tractor as tested on Java around 1939. I cannot find any references to the exact type of this vehicle and need some help here. The tractor reminds me of an early Lloyd carrier, but this scene is around 1939. According to the text these are the data of the vehicle on the picture: Weight: 3000 Kilo's Length: 3 meters 74 centimeters Width: 1 meter 96 Height without tilt: 1 meter 52 Trackwidth: 1 meter 96 Ground clearance 33 centimeters Max speed: 32 k/h fully laden Width of Tracks: 26,6 centimeters Engine: 6 cyl, 90 hp Pulling: 2800 kg and 9 fully equipped crew Remarks: according to the text the Vickers had no problems going through small streams and the hull was waterproof. To complicate matters the text of another article in the same magazine names no less than 3 different Vickers tractors as tested: Artillery; - Fighting; - Utility tractors. The Vickers tractor was not selected because it would be "un-economical": more power than was needed and too expensive...? The Praga T3 won the competition. Some more qualifications: the artillery tractor as above had front drive, 5 forward gears and the tracks produced 0,49 kilo groundpressure per square centimeter! Some notes on the other Vickers tractors: The Fighting Tractor had rear drive, 81 hp, 4 forward gears, the Utility 45 hp. We all know KNIL employed a number of Belgian produced Vickers Utility tractors as well. Here's the pic of the artillery tractor: Anybody recognise this one? Thanks, Nuyt Overvalwagens! |
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Now, I've been thinkin'...
Could it be an updated version of this ROF Light Dragon, built around 1933-35? Certainly with a better engine, as the Dragon had just 58hp...
Anyway, what was the relation between ROF and Vickers? Was ROF simply a contracted producer of Vickers designed stuff? Kind regards, Nuyt |
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Mystrerious Vickers Tractor
I got this picture from a book published in June 1933 so it must be older.
The text says: "Special Carden Loyd Light Tractor". What puzzles me is the gun. It does not look British but more like a Dutch M/1903 Krupp (-Siderius). British type steel helmets. The Dutch had another type and in Belgium they used the French Adrian type. Number D 25 does not look British either. So where and what type?
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Prototype
Stellan, I guess it's a factory picture showing a prototype. The "crew" all seem to be wearing overalls, and yes they are wearing British tin helmets.
The gun? Looks like a French 75, but if this is the Vickers factory, well, they had a lot of types there to work on... If this was a commercial design meant for export, they would do a lot to make the picture as international as possible. This tractor (note different running gear as opposed to the other pcitures) was used by Belgium as the T13 type 1 tractor and produced in Belgium under licence. Portugal seems to have ordered Vickers tractors. Have you come across a picture yet? Greetings Nuyt |
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Prototype
Hello,
I agree on the tractor. Looking a second time it seems as if the crew are wearing white shirts and ties under the overalls. But the gun. No, it doesn´t look like a French soixante-quinze to me. The mussle, breach, shield and wheels does not fit in to a French M/1897 75 mm. It looks as if the breach is of the vertical Krupp-type. I still think this is close to a Dutch 75 mm modernized M/1903. Could it be a demonstration in NL? Enclosed: A Citroen-Kegresse halftrack towing what I think is a French 75 mm. Nothe wheels and the rather short shield. The gun is loaded on a sprung rubber tired bogie. Stellan
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More info
on the overvalwagen forum:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/threa...eid=1095024954 Stellan, I agree it's not a French gun. Greetings, Nuyt Overvalwagens! |
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Belgian archives!
I have added some pictures of Vickers tractors and light tanks:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/threa...eid=1095024954 Enjoy Nuyt Overvalwagens! |
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Artillery Tractor 1931 High Sides
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"Anybody recognise this one?"
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