Modern part numbers for CMPs

[chris vickery]

The Ford master is an off the shelf item while the Chevy is not. You will have to use a rebuild kit as Jeff C has suggested for the Chevy. Ford M/C is part Number EIS # E4572

[Richard Farrant]

Originally posted by chris vickery
Ford M/C is part Number EIS # E4572

Chris,

And it has a NSN 2530-00-312-1349 so must still be in use, or until recently, with US Military as an EIS made one was used last year and packaging did not look too aged .

Richard

[Phil Waterman]

Couple more modern part numbers

Transfer Case seals C60
National 50300 and 30300 crosses over to current Chicago Rawhide CR seal of 19359 new seal is thinner than original. This can be used with CR Speedy Sleeve CR 99833 if the sealing surface of the drive flange is scored, be sure to check the installation depth of the Speedy Sleeve.

Winch inner seal Victor 60934 converts to CR 26297, outer seal Victor 60920 converts to CR 25043, these seals are also thinner than the orginals.

Steering are conical centering washers can be found as Dayton Axle parts number 13-7208 and the conical centering washers for the C60 axle shaft are Dayton Axle parts number 13-7204

[david moore]

Hanno
Do you know if the brake parts that you have listed are the same for the Cab12 8cwt 2X4 as for the F15A?
Mac's Auto in NY state has civvy Ford 1941 pick-up wheel and master cylinders but, again, I'm not sure if they are the same as the CMP parts.

David Moore

[Tony Smith]

No, the F8 will have smaller wheel cylinders and brake shoes than an F15A, but they will still be Ford commercial part numbers. Do you have a F8 parts book? Macs lists their parts using the original Ford part numbers, so finding the right components will be easy if you have the F8 parts book.
Incidentially, the diagrams, instructions and specs table are the same for the braking systems for both the F8 and the C11AD. If you can't find an F8 parts book (Calling Alex), I wonder if parts ordered for a US 1941 model car might fit your F8?

[Lynn Eades]

Here's a bit of info that may help somebody. The wartime Ford 4 speed box and the Dodge (New process) 4 speed box use some common componentry - 1st 2nd and 3rd gears (mainshaft) the cluster gear and pin as well as the cluster roller bearings as well as the intermediate bearing (between the input shaft and the main shaft) the part number if I recall correctly is a Hyatt 99000. There are other bits as well.
Cheers.

[Grant Bowker]

A dicussion of fuel filter elements took place in the thread "New to MLU Forum", my summary of filters that should fit the CMP housing is at http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...025#post169025

[Private_collector]

The following information is correct for Ford use Bendix Vacuum boosters. Unsure if Chev are the same.

If planning to restore one of these boosters, you will likely need (or want) to replace the seals within the vacuum chamber. These seals are on the large plunger plate.

A company called Seal Jet, in Brisbane, Australia, can supply replacement seals for the above application. I have bought these myself and they are correct fit. Details as follows:

Cup 6 & 3/4" No3 $52.50
Felt Ring 5 & 5/16" x 6 &9/16" x 5/16" $30.00

You will need one of each to complete the set. Prices are correct at time of writing. GST of 10% will apply in Australia, unsure about O/S.

Contact Details for manufacturer:

Seal-Jet
Building 1, 350 Lytton Road
Morningside, QLD, 4170
Ph (07) 3899 3266
Fax (07) 3899 3277
Email

Happy Hunting

[david moore]

Thanks Tony
I do have a parts book - and the Mac's catalogue. Looking at it I see that they do have the F8 - type cylinder code numbers. In fact they have package of all four wheel cylinders plus master plus hoses and shoe springs all for 190US$ which ain't bad!

I guess having an F8 is one case where the civvy pick-up stuff is closer to what is needed than for the bigger Ford CMP's.

I do notice that Mac's codes for the brake shoes don't match but I'll call them to find out if they have 11 inch drum shoes.

Cheers
David

[Bob Carriere]

Bonjour David

You should check your local brake shops in Kingston.... they may reline your brake shoes cheaper..... and they can turn your drums while your at it.......

a lot of parts are available for the Ford..... but the Chev Master cylinder is rare....... wheel cylinders for the Chev are a stock item in brake shops in Ottawa.

Both Rob Clarke and I have dealt with Ottawa Brake and Clutch with good service.

Bob C.

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

Hi folks... is Tony's list from 01 May '04 the best we have so far? I would urge all of you to post necessary corrections/additions and what I'll do is format this as an HTML chart and post it accordingly. I can't give any of you access to update it, but I can update and repost the list from time to time myself.

Have at it....

[Bob Carriere]

Where is the list...????

Am I having a bad day!!!!!????

BooB

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

Where is the list...????

Am I having a bad day!!!!!????

BooB

Post #8 on this thread, Boobie...

[Bob Carriere]

..... I see the light!!!!

Boob

[sth65pac]

This overhaul kit is available in Australia, and is part number K4X.

It has two gaskets, one o-ring the steel valve, and the outer rubber boot. Diameter of the bore is 1-1/4"

NOTE:
It does not contain the pushrod, inner rod, or the spring.

Ian

[Keith Orpin]

Guys,
I've recently discovered that CR seals have been taken over by SKF, (certainly here in England). Having said that, there is a very good dealer here in England who will still supply seals and bearings, bearing the Chicago Rawhide ancesty, remarked with SKF numbers. If you search the CF part number, subsitute CF for SKF, and the seal/ bearing will appear.
Hope this is of use
Keith

[Bob Carriere]

For wheel brake cylinders......Wagner parts seem impossible to find....

BUT...... Raybestos has them...part number..... WC 4571 Front... $78Cdn
WC 4511 Rear....." "

Ottawa suppliers are no longer keeping them on shelf due to limited demand but they are available in Toronto.

Boob

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

WC 4511 Rear....." "

Thanks Bob,

As you know I am looking for the front wheel cylinders. I will ask Alex to chime in for his C8 cylinders.

Re. rear cylinders, I know of the following sources for the 1-1/2" wheel cylinders (original p/n 91T 2192).

1) Mac's Antique Auto Parts: 91T-2261 US$61.95 WHEEL CYLINDER REAR RIGHT OR LEFT 1TON TRUCK ONLY EXCEPT 122 INCH WB 2 1939-1952 (see pic)

2) Dirk Leegwater: these are cylinders from a DAF truck I believe, they have the wrong piston ends but Dirk supplies them with the correct pistons and dust boots. I will have to look up the price for you.

3) Derek bought both his wheel cylinders at NAPA, but I cannot find them on their site.

Originally Posted by sapper740

I can get you all three types of cylinders (rear, front, and master)here in Texas at my local Napa store.

HTH,
Hanno

[Phil Waterman]

Napa has changed their web site again - but I think I found the brake cylinders via their application search instead of part numbers.

Take a look at http://www.napaonline.com/Search/Det...+50028+2028083 see if this looks like it. I'll do some more searching.

Also I'll have my friendly NAPA store see if they are really in the warehouse.

Cheers Phil

[WayneR]

While working on a Chev FAT we have in our Regiment we ended up using the wheel cylinder from the front end of a Canadian MLVW (2.5 Ton). They fit nicely and work great.

Wayne

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Phil Waterman

Napa has changed their web site again - but I think I found the brake cylinders via their application search instead of part numbers.

Take a look at http://www.napaonline.com/Search/Det...+50028+2028083 see if this looks like it. I'll do some more searching.

Also I'll have my friendly NAPA store see if they are really in the warehouse.

Thanks Phil, I see that if one opts for online shopping all parts can be found on the site. Please note that the link you provided leads to:

Wheel Cylinder - Rear
Part Number: UP 4571
Bore Size : 1 3/8"

But the rear wheel cylinder size for a CMP is 1-1/2". This must be for another non-CMP application.

The link to the correct NAPA front cylinder:

Wheel Cylinder - Front
Product Line: NAPA ULTRA PREMIUM BRAKE PARTS
Part Number: UP 4571
Price: 42.99 Each

Features & Benefits Designed To Match O.E. Fit, Form & Function.; High Quality Rubber, Smooth Bore Finishes & Properly Threaded Outlet Ports Ensure Trouble-Free Operation.; Compatible w/ DOT Approved Silicone- Or Glycol-Based Brake Fluids.

Attributes Bore Size : 1 3/8"
Wheel Cylinder Line Thread Size : 1/2" - 20

Hanno

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Link to the correct NAPA rear cylinder:

Wheel Cylinder - Rear
Product Line: NAPA ULTRA PREMIUM BRAKE PARTS
Part Number: UP 4511
Price: 77.49 Each

Features & Benefits Designed To Match O.E. Fit, Form & Function.; High Quality Rubber, Smooth Bore Finishes & Properly Threaded Outlet Ports Ensure Trouble-Free Operation.; Compatible w/ DOT Approved Silicone- Or Glycol-Based Brake Fluids.

Attributes Bore Size : 1 1/2"
Wheel Cylinder Line Thread Size : 1/2" - 20

[david moore]

Merci Robert!

Do you have a phone number for Ottawa Brake & Clutch since I'm often up there and may get better service than in Kingston?

While we are talking about parts - what about Ford F8 wheel bearings and oil seals - and transmission U-joints, specifically the "spider" with the roller bearing caps?


David

[Bob Carriere]

David

Try Ottawa Clutch and Automotive, 1171 Newmarket Street
..... they are located para to Innes Road between St Laurent and the 417... you actually have to take Bantree off Innes to get to Newmarket..... very helpful bunch.... tell them what it is for... pictures always facinates them.

If you drive around the corner the street name becomes Michael and a few doors down is Malmberg.... they had stock wheel cyl. for the Chev using the Wagner parts number listed on the forum.

Now if you go back on Innes.... going West is changes to Industrial when you cross St Laurent.... a few blocks down on your left at 850 Industrial.... you will find Industrial Solutions...731-6161...ask for Andre Gingras... tell him what ti is for.... tell him I sent you. Ideally you will have either the exact measurements of the bearings or seals and/or old parts number. They seem to prefer seeing and measuring the old parts so I usually stuff them in a zip lock bag and take it down to them.

They are extremely helpful and the prices are very good. Now make sure he knows that the parts are no urgently needed for a production run....after all CMP are not a hot issue and he may have a repeat business clients that needs it more than we do.

If I can be of some help in picking up parts for you let me know.

Amazing what they can find with the special search engine they have access to.... usually inside and outside dimensions are all he needs. Now brace yourself... bearings and bearing race are not cheap..... to do a T case you are looking at $500 + for all bearings and seals.... but darn it... they are all available.

When I say prices are good... I was quoted from $45.00 to 65.00 for the huge front axle 5 inch seal.... they had them stock for $20.

Ron and I have collected a number of modern parts/maker/brand number and prices that we will be posting soon.

Good luck.

[Phil Waterman]

Originally posted by Bob Carriere
a lot of parts are available for the Ford..... but the Chev Master cylinder is rare....... wheel cylinders for the Chev are a stock item in brake shops in Ottawa.

Just had the master cylinder for the Pattern 12 Chev rebuilt by White Post Restorations http://www.whitepost.com/ sleeved and all new interior parts, life time guarantee and shipping $170 US one week from time I mailed it till it was back in my hands. Use the same outfit for the other two trucks as well.


One Old Car Drive
Post Office Drawer D
White Post, VA 22663

[Bob Carriere]

Hi Phil

Did the same thing with John Stuart in Stoney Creek and about the same price in CDN dollars.... he is well known in hot rod circles and does mostly industrial/commercial rebuild.......

One question.... some old master cyl. have bare steel surfaces but on a few old ones.... including the master from Rob's HUP it had a brass sleve insert. Where they doing brass insert years ago when rebuilding or where they made like that form the factory.

In Rob's case he managed to get a rebuild kit and we buffed the inside of the master cyl using a home made mop fabricated with 3M pads donuts cut and mounted on a 1/4 inch bolt. Once installed in the drill press at slow rpm it polished the inside to a nice shin.

Once the snow melts a little more I will tackle the linkage for the power booster...... will check the frame and if too far gone may just cut off the side and use it as a mock up for the duplication and trial fitting.....

Hang in there.

Bob C

[Lynn Eades]

"they" did resleeving with brass before switching to stainless.

[Phil Waterman]

The cylinder I sent them I’d already cleaned an honed to see if it could be used without being sleeved but the pitting was to deep. So far everything I’ve had sleeved has been done with brass and the first of those were done back in 1986 (knock on wood) so far none have leaked or needed to be opened for any reason and this is using regular DOT 3 brake fluid. One of the things that I think helps keep the cylinders from needing new cups etc is keeping them adjusted so that the piston travel is staying in the same nice clean area rather than moving all the way out to the ends of the travel. This also keeps the outer boots from being over flexed.

Only brake problems I have had on the with either of the trucks is with the star wheel adjusters on the back of the HUP which are the steel cup type.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Possibly useful links to look up seals and bearings:

http://www.daltonbearing.com/supplie...log.asp?sid=54

http://www2.chicago-rawhide.com/popu...kup_457012.htm

[Eric Szalanda]

Here are the bearing and cone part numbers for Timken that I just bought for my F15A. Next will be oil seals.

399A Bearing
394A Cone

462 Bearing
453X Cone