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M4 Medium Tank "Cookie" will return to Overloon war museum
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Good news! The M4 Medium Tank "Cookie", which is of significant historical value to the Netherlands, will return from Italy where it served as a Canadian memorial in Ortona since 2006. It will be exchanged for an M4A4, which is the appropriate type used by the Canadian Army in Italy, and "Cookie" will return to the area where it was left after WW2. It has registration number USA 3033401, and was in service with the U.S. 7th Armored Division during the Battle of Overloon. For more information, please see the attached Press release - Shermantank Cookie will return to Overloon.pdf Hanno 13 June 1946, photo by Wiel van der Randen: Source: http://proxy.handle.net/10648/6a322c...c-003048944028 Ca.1946. The Overloon Museum was founded on the former battefield: 1980s:
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PS: read the thread Ortona Remembered for some background on Cookie’s adventure in Italy
http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7443
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Some more info on Cookie:
M4 Medium Tank, serial number 24871, registration number USA 3033401. Assigned to 7th Armored Division, 31st Tank Battalion, Company C as Tank no. 13. Put out of action during the Battle of Overloon, The Netherlands, between 30 September and 18 October 1944. Location: 2 to 3 km. to the west of the Oploosche dijk area in the hamlet called 't Vlak. Crew: none killed - tank was not hit but instead tilted in a ditch and was abandoned by the crew. "Cookie" had been moved to Overloon Museum by 11 March 1947. Sources: http://www.7tharmddiv.org/docrep/overloon-tanks.htm http://www.7tharmddiv.org/wwii-tank-serial-numbers.htm http://www.7tharmddiv.org/overloon-cookie-returns.htm And some more pictures: Cookie pictured on 27 May 1946 at the former Overloon battlefield, by then the museum grounds. Source: Nationaal Archief 2.24.01.03, 901-7696 Boys climb on Cookie just after WW2. In the early years the Overloon museum was not more than a collection of artefacts on the former battlefield. Source: Nationaal Archief, 2.24.01.09, 900-0425 1960s: Source: https://www.bhic.nl/memorix/images/s...e-237244c790f7
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Interesting to note the rails welded to the turret upper sides and what looks like a missing cupola, In service modification to hang extra kit from or post war to assist people climbing on it?
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So the rails are an in service modification.
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Some more photos of Cookie:
1950's picture postcard: Most likely taken somewhere in the 1960s: Source: https://proxy.archieven.nl/0/6299426...14CEF5897CC3E2
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This story is about the practise of monuments as simple symbols without recognizing that individual tanks have important singular histories of their own. As I recall, a couple of strong personalities thought a tank is a tank is a tank, and Cookie's story in the Netherlands was undervalued when she was relocated to Italy.
Someone wanted a Sherman as a monument, and followed the path of least resistance to get one. By hook and by crook and by Golly, they were going to got themselves a monument. Supposedly that was going to be the end of the story. Can everyone hear the tinkle of ice in drinks behind the chatter of corporate donors, smell the well-perfumed crowd of onlookers, and hear as the conversation moves on to something else? Some people in some circles don't know what they don't know. Except, unlike art museums and art dealers exchanging expensive paintings as commodities, there are other people who knew and cared more about what Cookie represented than someone getting a tank plonked down in a public place. I am very pleased the Dutch have been able to correct this mistake, and recover their historic piece.
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I agree with Terry !
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(source) And a full-length one along the hull side to boot. Last edited by Hanno Spoelstra; 16-09-20 at 10:16. Reason: edited to attach photo |
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Attached are some pictures I took a couple of weeks ago. Cookie is at the Overloon museum again, even though it's still partly dressed up as "Athena".
I am sure Covid interfered with the plans, as the return was kept quite silent and the tank is still in outside storage. Let's hope it gets returned to it's original livery and markings soon....and let's hope they use the early museum pictures that Hanno posted to match the location, shape, size and font of the original markings!
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Sadly, the museum offered the wrong Sherman for this worthy cause: instead of selling an anonymous, but correct type of Sherman, they sold an inccorect type of Sherman and most importantly - a genuine battle relic To make a long story short, "Committee Sherman tank Overloon" - a group of local enthusiasts - have corrected the museum management's mistake. First by making sure a proper tank memorial was established in the middle of Overloon village and outside the museum's influence, then they set to work to get Cookie back. They did an amazing job on both tanks
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Cookie in After the Battle Magazine
The story about Cookie and its return to Overloon was documented in the most recent No. 188 edition of After the Battle Magazine.
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Reading that, what I find odd is that the Overloon museum had the correct type of Sherman that they weren’t using, but sold the wrong type, that they were, to be a memorial in Italy.
But I guess this comes back to a common complaint about museums: a lot of them don’t seem to actually know much about what they have. (See, for example, comments by Mike Starmer on another forum about the repainting of British tanks at Bovington, using some random military-looking green paint from a DIY store.) |
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Hey, give them some credit for at least attempting to paint them in a "military looking" paint, see the paint shot all over the tanks at the CFB Borden museum to truly see how low the bar can be set. |
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Museums in General
For years I have been curious if other museums are as cavalier with their artifacts as military museums are? We know art museums don't display their collections outside for the birds to nest in and the kids to climb on but do the other museums loan and exchange their material like a kid with trading cards?
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Thankfully the conflict has since been resolved and as far as I know Overloon now owns all vehicles previously in the Marshall collection.....which is the reason we have seen lot's of post-war vehicles being sold, in favour of the WW2 vehicles. Alex
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Picture of Cookie made by a visitor of the Overloon museum in the 1970s:
Courtesy of Joey Borrenbergs
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