2007 at the Hammond Barn

[sth65pac]

Thanks Phil & Bob,

I am using original glass, the passenger side piece has turned to like a Jello/Jelly/horrible in the last 65 years.

Also the edge stuff looks like a bitumous tape but I cannot be sure. I have seen a similar stuff used but cannot recall where.

Phil I agree silicone sealant is a good option.. I will try the non-acidic type to seal and waterproof. As you say Phil, get it as rust free as possible............back to the sandblasters!

I appreciate your comments & ideas as collective ideas save time.

when removing; I used plywood to support the glass as I prized the frame open. This also took the stress off the glass, and saved me worry. The piece is 65 years old, & I am not about to wreck it on account of haste.

Ian

[Phil Waterman]

Originally posted by RHClarke
Phil,

Good to hear from you. I hope your visitors passed on our regards to you...

Thanks for the window info. My glass is indeed thinner than the original glass. The tape I used to line the glass is quite thick but I still get some "slop" that I hope to take up with more tape and sealant. I also drilled additional small holes in the horizontal channel to ensure that moisture has a way out.

Do you have an update on Weare?

New computer is up and running now but still am reinstalling and restoring files.

Weare was great will be posting a full up date in a few days, for now posting picture of Bob on vacation.

Thanks Bob for all the parts, wife still can't figure out how I hid two engine side covers in the back of BEAUTY.

[RHClarke]

Originally posted by Phil Waterman
.. for now posting picture of Bob on vacation....

Hi Phil,

The photo is telling - Bob getting intimate with the rear end of a CMP. I guess he thinks he is the Bob Guccione of the CMP world. That would explain the "misty" quality of his pictures...

I'll interrogate him on his trip whenever I next get out to the barn. Not a good week for the hobby - Anniversary and kids birthday in the same week...

I am looking forward to the "Weare Report".

Cheers,

[RHClarke]

Bob spend almost a full week working on his frame. Grant provided the much appreciated assistance. It is amazing what can be accomplished in one week. Bob mounted his engine into the frame, prepped the radiator and collar, cleaned up a bunch of bits and began the reassembly of his CMP.

Grant and Bob mounting step supports:

[RHClarke]

After a morning of assembly, Bob's better half served up a great brunch of blueberry pancakes, bacon, potatoes, eggs, tea and coffee. One of the best meals ever at the barn!

After the meal, we headed back to the barn for more CMP pleasures.

Here is a shot of Bob's rad and collar - great work.

[Bob Carriere]

First let me follow up to the picture of me crawling under a cab 12.....

It was raining.... it was dry under the truck..... and it is Phil's new toy....... have a strange kinship to cab 11 and 12.... don't see them much..... and it was parked invitingly over a small trench...

This is Phil's latest pride an joy...... damn the rain let's go for a drive......

[Bob Carriere]

Dead on.....

[Bob Carriere]

I took another week off and worked for the last 8 consecutive days on my cab 11........

Goal to have a runner for BB 2.....

....and for seven of these days Grant worked along side me... we did 14 days of work on the truck..... running about 9 am to 7 pm..... some days where 6 water bottle days...... washed down with a beer at the end....... weather was cooperatively too nice and humidex climbed to 42..... the shaddy barn was a good palce to work from..... sandblasting was murder!!!!

Too us a few days to work out the brakes lines..... finally did some perfect double flares.... darn just realized i did not fit the coupling first..... oh well still enough line..... cut atgain.... beautiful flare.....F*** forgot the coupling again...... now if I hack saw the flare and do it again I might have enough line left....phew...

System eventually was bleed.... detection a few more leaks but eventually got some good pedal pressure......

Pictures one.... rear end...... don't try to do the long side line in one piece...... unless you wish to flare the tube on site which is a nightmare,,,

[Bob Carriere]

Much more complex........ rubber lines are 26.5 inches long.... they fit through the frame with a special coupler..... prone to leaking...... make sure you buy a supply of good new copper gaskets.....

[Bob Carriere]

...... the overhead beams with rolling trucks and a 3 ton come-a-long made it easy.....

First in the rolling engine stand...... been sitting for two years now with periodical engine truning and priming of oil....

[Bob Carriere]

.....and look who is doing the hard work......

Well someone had to do the photography......

[Bob Carriere]

Please not the changes that are about to happen to the water pump......

First of all......A 261 ENGINE WITH THE ORIGINAL 261 WATER PUMP WILL NOT FIT BEHIND THE RAD OF A CMP....

IS THAT CLEAR.....

Boy did we sweat that one..... rad won't fit the fan blade are so low they hit the lower rad pipe.....

Tried as many fans as a women would try shoes........too small.... wrong bolt pattern..... correct bolt pattern but core needs drilling to one inch....drilled it..... now the blades hit the harmonica damper...... damned harmonica would not even play one note.....

[Bob Carriere]

....and I am not talking deluxe outhouses.....

By coincidence my new two holer water pump....circa 47 to 53 216 c.i.... arrived from EBay..... and so did the Hay-dapeter plate ordered by Grant from Yimmyniy Carter.....

So off to the ttwo hholer...... yes two holes in tha backing plate instead of one hole which would denote the earlier pump pf 1940 CMPs....... and Yes Virginia there is a difference .... the older earlier one hole...... like Stew used.....allows room to install the gas pedal linkage....

....and the now installed and glued two holer pump mounted on Grant's Hay-dapter plate requried extensive surgery to the throttle linkage.....

first the pump...... notice that I have now installed a 216 harmonica damper to have the proper speed ratio and match the wide belt pulley of the 216 two holer pump....

[Bob Carriere]

This is where we spent almost a whole day......making sure the linkage kept the same overall location yet be strong and mount slightly ahead of the pump.......

[Bob Carriere]

A lot of trial and fitting was done....

Grant's patience paid off....

[Bob Carriere]

..... Now works beautifully....

[Bob Carriere]

This picture was taken August 2004 when I first disassembled the my cab 11......

[Bob Carriere]

....same location.......cross bones have grown....


This is basically a dry fit of the arches....steering....running board to have a runner for BB 2


All will come off....some repairs are needed to rebuild rusted areas.....get the proper length / size bolts.....

Now of wich would have ever happened if it has not been for my very understanding wife...... and the intelectual motivation and sheer muscles of both Grant and Rob.........

.......sure beats working alone in the barn.....

Ever grateful...

Bob

[Grant Bowker]

The photos show an incomplete view of the modified linkage support. Bob may be kind enough to post the completed version. Until that happens I will try to describe the difference between the photo and the final (at least for the mark I version) linkage support. We looked at the illustrated version and decided that it was going to be too floppy and would end up causing a binding pedal as Bob drives. To cure the floppiness, we welded into place a bar along the left part of the original linkage, dipping below the left bolt into the block (rather than the water outlet) to allow clearance for wrenching the bolt and then over to the segment of the original mount on the right of the water outlet, again allowing clearance for the bolt head. The completed setup feels steady under a good push and doesn't visually deflect. The final test will come when driving. The rod turns freely enough that it falls under gravity. Before working on this I hadn't realized how much wider the rod support is on 11/12 cabs are compared to 13 cab.

[Bob Carriere]

....will re-photo the finished product and re-post....!!!

BooB

[Bob Carriere]

...all pumped up....

The new pictures clearly shows how the original bracket was cut and re-inforced with a piece of 5/16 key stock rod. Only one of the thermostat elbow bolt was used... we opted to used an already threaded (unused) 3/8 bolt hole in the block.

Final assembly is very solid...... bolts fit going inside SS tubes welded to the bracket.

[Bob Carriere]

......FYI

[Bob Carriere]

FYI

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

Originally posted by Bob Carriere
....same location.......cross bones have grown....

Er..... Bob, I say old boy, if you're going to be drag-racing shouldn't the big wheels be on the back, not the front?

[Bob Carriere]

Good observation Hawkeye.......

I was amazed on how different 9:00 x 16 bar thread can be from manufacturer to manufacturer......

Modern bar thread are already at least 2 inches taller than the original 1940 tires....... maybe the old tires shrunked over the years...hahaha..... modern bar threads are different as well.... Currently the rear tires are yard tires I got from the Caldwells.... the front ones are brand new removed from surplus M101a ( M37 trailer) spare tires and are again taller than the older 1970 casings......


I believe the tallest seen so far are the NOS Michelin 9 x16 square block tires..... the surplus 11 x 16 are the most desirable and even larger....but not CMP original...sic..!

Boob

[Phil Waterman]

Originally posted by Bob Carriere
Good observation Hawkeye.......

I was amazed on how different 9:00 x 16 bar thread can be from manufacturer to manufacturer......

Modern bar thread are already at least 2 inches taller than the original 1940 tires....... maybe the old tires shrunked over the years...hahaha..... modern bar threads are different as well.... Currently the rear tires are yard tires I got from the Caldwells.... the front ones are brand new removed from surplus M101a ( M37 trailer) spare tires and are again taller than the older 1970 casings......


I believe the tallest seen so far are the NOS Michelin 9 x16 square block tires..... the surplus 11 x 16 are the most desirable and even larger....but not CMP original...sic..!

Boob

What I find interesting is that the original HUP tires were I think 10:50x16 and they fit in the spair tire carrier of the late model HUPs. If you try and mount a new modern 9:00x16 ND you can only put about 10psi in it or you will not be able to pull it out of the carrier.

Cheers Phil

[Phil Waterman]

Originally posted by RHClarke
Hi Phil,

The photo is telling - Bob getting intimate with the rear end of a CMP. I guess he thinks he is the Bob Guccione of the CMP world. That would explain the "misty" quality of his pictures...

I'll interrogate him on his trip whenever I next get out to the barn. Not a good week for the hobby - Anniversary and kids birthday in the same week...

I am looking forward to the "Weare Report".

Cheers,

Pictures of Weare Rally - Next year we are going to try for the record number of CMPs at a rally inside the United States. We had three this year, does anybody know what the US record is?

Link to pictures- http://cckw.org/weare_rally_2007.htm

[RHClarke]

Originally posted by Phil Waterman
Pictures of Weare Rally http://cckw.org/weare_rally_2007.htm

Phil,

Nice collection of vehicles. I particularly liked the HUP - no surprise there. I noticed the metal plates that covered the sides of the fuel tanks. Could you post the dimensions of those plates?

Thanks,

[RHClarke]

Hello from Greenwood, Nova Scotia! Although I hate missing a barn day, I don't mind spending time in the Maritimes drinking beer with kinfolk. The reason for this trip is to honour the memory of the mother and father of a great friend of mine who passed away recently. So it is off to Halifax tomorrow (oops, later today) for a memorial service. Hopefully I will be able to look up some fellow MLU types while there...Jim? Are you monitoring this means?

On the trip down, we stopped into Burton, New Brunswick to visit Bill and his wife and of course to chat about CMPs. I'll post the photo of our visit later. Bill was in fine form despite being out of uniform - now retired (for good?) from the army, Bill now works as a contractor at CFB Gagetown. From all accounts, he has it pretty good and it looks like he will have more time for his hobbies...
We will be stopping by on the return trip to swap lies and CMP parts. Hopefully Bill will join us in Ottawa next weekend after the Sussex flea market.

Were outta Keiths, so it looks like it's time to hit the fart sack! MTF.

[Phil Waterman]

Originally posted by RHClarke
I noticed the metal plates that covered the sides of the fuel tanks. Could you post the dimensions of those plates?

Will take a set of diamentions as well as detail photos.

Cheers Phil