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In the preceding post i went for an installation like this one ( M. Bisaillon ) . M Bisaillon put a lot of time and effort into making this Canadian wartime product better known .
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44 GPW / 44 C-15-A Cab 13 Wireless 5 with 2K1 box X 2 / 44 U.C. No-2 MKII* / 10 Cwt Cdn Brantford Coach & Body trailer X 2 / 94 LSVW Last edited by Robert Bergeron; 03-12-20 at 23:57. |
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As you can see you need three aerial bases on the roof, A (send), A (receive) and B.
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Thank you Bruce . Two antennas , one send and one receive . There are two 12 V outlets in the box . One above the charger control box and the other above the door near the blackout switch . Q : What 12 V instrument / light / tool plugs into these outlets ?
. The outlets are clearly indicated on the wiring diagram and are positively 12 V . What are they for ?? Any guesses ? Another information : Both outlets cut off when either the generator compartment door or the main door open by effect of the cut off switches on either door . Attachment 117905
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44 GPW / 44 C-15-A Cab 13 Wireless 5 with 2K1 box X 2 / 44 U.C. No-2 MKII* / 10 Cwt Cdn Brantford Coach & Body trailer X 2 / 94 LSVW Last edited by Robert Bergeron; 06-12-20 at 23:18. |
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I know of no wireless gear or associated piece of equipment that would plug into a socket like that other than a 120v appliance. 12V items used terminal strips and wing nuts or specialized sockets. |
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Could it be for a lamp like this? I’ll take a better picture of the plug tomorrow
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Thanks Bruce and Jordan . These outlets draw current from the batteries . They are connected to the line that feeds the internal lighting and roof fan and are protected by a 10 Amp fuse in the control panel . So with the fan drawing 3.5-4 amps and the two lights drawing 1.5 there is not much left . Like Jordan is telling us , maybe a trouble or reading lamp of some kind ?
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This lamp has a twist lock type plug. So I don’t think it was used in the application for your plugs.
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For Bob's 2K1 either an operator's or trouble lamp seems the most likely use for those sockets. The 'T' shape of the slot would prevent a 12V appliance being accidentally plugged into a 120V socket. Zap. |
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Some T shapes outlets are meant to accept plugs with blades in either orientation, either vertical or horizontal rather than a T shaped blade. Most of the "adaptable" outlets I've seen only have 1 T slot with the other a normal blade.
I don't know if the NEMA standards for outlets and plugs had been developed by wartime, certainly not with the ground lug. Last edited by Grant Bowker; 06-12-20 at 23:30. |
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Thanks Grant ( Bowker ) Can’t find my peculiar set of blades in your very nice table of designs .This outlet is over the door , nearer the cypher clerk while the other is over the control panel nearer the radio operator . Not enough current to power a radio ( 60 Amp fuse for the radios vs 10 Amps for this circuit ) but surely enough for a trouble or reading lamp .
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44 GPW / 44 C-15-A Cab 13 Wireless 5 with 2K1 box X 2 / 44 U.C. No-2 MKII* / 10 Cwt Cdn Brantford Coach & Body trailer X 2 / 94 LSVW Last edited by Robert Bergeron; 07-12-20 at 01:08. |
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6 battery boxes installed . 4 for the radios & 2 for the Onan generator . Send & receive antennas connected on the A sets . Interior lighting and both 12 V outlets functionnal . Working on the control panel over the next few weeks .
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Getting awfully tight in there....it's looking great!!
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The radio operator may well have had a better lamp than the roof lighting - there were operator desk lamps with low power bulbs for various command vehicles and radio trucks. Chris. |
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Australian LP Carriers also used civilian domestic (240V) plugs and sockets for 12V trouble lamps. A ready source of a reliable proven design of plug.
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Thank you Bruce , Chris, Grant , Jordan and Tony for your contributions . Did i miss someone ? Here is a house outlet from de 40’s in Can/ USA . Does anyone have a picture of a common Canada - British truck radio truck / command post or a trouble or reading light with an end plug of any kind please ? Obviously Jordan , you have posted one good example . What does it come out of ?
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44 GPW / 44 C-15-A Cab 13 Wireless 5 with 2K1 box X 2 / 44 U.C. No-2 MKII* / 10 Cwt Cdn Brantford Coach & Body trailer X 2 / 94 LSVW Last edited by Robert Bergeron; 07-12-20 at 21:43. |
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I suspect they used a standard commercial lamp of some sort, and simply fitted a low voltage bulb to it. I've seen ES bulbs in all kinds of voltages, so that would make a lot of economic sense - if you needed to use it on a high voltage supply simply change the bulb.
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Thank you Chris . I will be on the lookout for a period lamp. This picture is of the generator compartment . It is empty . Everything needs to be done . Pictures of the generator trays and racks and connectors would be appreciated please . Thanks !
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44 GPW / 44 C-15-A Cab 13 Wireless 5 with 2K1 box X 2 / 44 U.C. No-2 MKII* / 10 Cwt Cdn Brantford Coach & Body trailer X 2 / 94 LSVW Last edited by Robert Bergeron; 10-12-20 at 02:52. |
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While we are at it , does anyone have a clue how the Onan 110 V generator is held down on the floor of the lower compartment ?
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Are these the type of plugs used. Seem to think they were commonly in domestic use in the U.K. at one time
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Thank you Simon , you are probably right !
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Robert, those photos I sent had some detail that should help on the generator cabinet interior. Much of it (like chorehorse mount) is similar to the HUW so I can help with some of the materials and construction details if you need them.
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Yes my friend , your pictures you sent me are VERY useful and thanks for sharing . Yes i would appreciate info on the construction of Chorehorse tray / base plate / mount for your HUW . I assume they will be similar . Cheers .
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This particular picture of yours will be very useful Bruce: Photo credit Bruce Parker.
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It is starting to be crowded with wires in the generator compartment !
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Working on the control panel today with the help of my friend Yves who knows his stuff ! Had to part out a C-5 Canadian panel to get the unique battery selector .
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The generator compartment is wired now ! I will be working on the upper generator tray this week .
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Temporary battery / generator control panel installed and functional . The switch on the bottom right between the fuses allows the use of the two battery banks ( 4 batteries in all ) to start the generators . Ingenious on the designer’s part . The larger fuse ( 60 amps ) is to protect the radios , the next one to the right ( 10 amps ) to protect the interior lighting fixtures and the two ( 30 amp ) either side of the switch , the double 300 Watt Chorehorse generators . Nice design . That’s why using the C-5 charging panel would be risky : no circuit protection in case a live wire shorts ... burning smell in a generator or radio and / or melting batteries . Interesting study in design . The porcelain switch on the top left is to select the battery bank feeding the radios . The cutoff switch to the right is to select what generator is charging what battery bank .
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44 GPW / 44 C-15-A Cab 13 Wireless 5 with 2K1 box X 2 / 44 U.C. No-2 MKII* / 10 Cwt Cdn Brantford Coach & Body trailer X 2 / 94 LSVW Last edited by Robert Bergeron; 14-12-20 at 04:01. |
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The left and right chorehorse mounting rails are made from 2 pieces of 1" by 1/8" angle welded together to form a 1/8" runner. These are welded to the frame Robert has already started installing. Into these runners slides a 1/8" thick plate that the chorehorse bolts to. Once slid into its track of angle iron there are two pins (easily found at Canadian Tire as 1/4" securing loops) and chains that go though holes in the angle iron and plate to hold the genny in place. Locations best guessed from the pics.
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Oh, and the plumbing at the lower left is of course the exhaust for the chorehorse(s).
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Here is a close up of Bruce ´s description . Photo credit : Reg Hodgson
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