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I will have to re-visit the owner of this vehicle and see if it is now back in one piece. Suspicions are starting to cloud the horizon, though, as Hanno's table lists the DD4-60 as having a 160"wb. This truck is much shorter, maybe 126" like a PW or 134" like a DD4-35. What was the Ambulance and Carryall - 114"? |
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Just because a manuel states a certain wheelbase does not mean that it is correct for all vehicles of this type made. Orders for these by say the RAAF may have specified the shorter wheelbase chassis but with the same specs as the LWB DD60. Just my 5 cents worth Cheers Cliff |
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Just looking through my Chrysler Serial Number Guide book up to 1946 and relating it to the engine serial numbers on Hanno's list above.
T-112 for WC 1/2 ton Sep 40 - Feb 42 AND Feb 45 - Oct 45 T-114 for WD-15 3/4 ton Sep 40 - Feb 42 AND Jan 46....... T-116 for WD-20 & 21 1ton Sep 40 - Feb 42 AND Oct 45....... T-118 for WF-20,21,22,30,31,32,33 and WFA-20,21,22,30,31,32,33 The 20's are 1 ton and the 30's are 1 1/2 ton All Sep 40 to May 42 then started again: WF-31,32 & WFA-31 Apr 44 and WF-23,31.32,33 & WFA 32,33 all delivered Oct 45 These all are of course American production so I have no idea how Canadians fitted these particular engine serials to their production. Lang |
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Tony are you aware that some power wagons were imported recently into West Australia from the middle east.
Saw one in local electricians shop a few week ago Regards Col
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It certainly doesn't look like a long wheelbase truck. In military designations the '60' was the load capacity in cwt, so a '60' was a 3 ton. Civilian designations used the number to identify the wheelbase - not sure what '60' was though. One question I'd like answered, the image right up top is the cab door hinge plate, but does the number on it actually match the number on the front left chassis rail? If it doesn't this could be a WW2 chassis with later cab, which might explain some things.
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One can see the -35, -60 etc. stands for the wheelbase: 135, 160, 178, 190 and 200 inches respectively. Basically the same truck - 2-ton DD4 - built in 5 different wheelbase forms? H.
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Tony, it would be great if you could go back and measure up the wheelbase and check if the number on the cab door hinge plate actually matches the number on the front left chassis rail like Gordon suggested. Otherwise it might turn out we are trying to determine a type of "bitsa" Lang longs for H.
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Looks like the vehicle is a made up one.
I have just found another manual - Canadian Truck Shop Manual 1941-42 DD4 is a 2 ton - max 13,000lbs. The 60 is the 160" wheelbase as explained above. Lang |
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Does the number on this plate match the chassis number that is normally stamped into the chassis rail at the front? If they match then the truck is original. If they don't it is probably made up. Hanno you are right I must have been tired when I posted those replies. Cheers Cliff |
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It is no doubt of civilian origin, most likely acquired at a time when it was difficult for them to buy military vehicles (just like the vehicles of the Netherlands East Indies Army shortly after WW2).
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Here are two pictures of Power Wagons of the IDF. Although open cabbed, they are not fitted with the M601 windscreen but with what looks like Dodge WC52 windscreens.
Most likely, these were supplied as chassis/cowls, with windscreens and rear bodies being fitted/manufactured locally. Notice the similarity with the Dutch KNIL Power Wagon? Both armies clearly had a need for a replacement of the WC52 Weapon Carrier, and the Power Wagon with a rear body made to suit was clearly up to the job. H.
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The Greek army used the M601 which it received through MAP. Some acquired cabs or even full length bodies and were used as personell carriers like these:
The Hellenic Air Force used the closed cab chassis as a bomb truck: One of these has been preserved at the Air Force Museum at Tatoi near Athens. The Hellenic Navy also had the ambulance version. Fyll |
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Thanks Fyll, excellent pics!
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Just found another Dodge near Brisbane. Appears to be civilian and is claimed as 1946 model by owner.
DD4-35 is the short 135" wheelbase with 700X20 tyres (could have been 7.50X20 originally) Has a Dodge Canada ID plate but appears to have a Richards cab with quarter windows and park lights on the side cowls in front of the door. No Richards badge but could have been removed. Engine is T118G Only has a single speed diff. Lang |
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the attached pic comes from ord 3 snl g-1 major items and major combinations of group g, april 1954, courtesy of alex blair.
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That Carryall reminded me of a similar 1953 Navy B-3-PW-126 Ambulance (source). H.
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hi hanno
i'v come to the realization that there is no end to the variations associated with dodge trucks. just when you think you have seen a pic of every model, up pops another, and the information chase begins all over again.....one of the things that makes the hobby so interesting!! mike |
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Below follows a picture of yet another survivor, in this case a '49 truck with reg.no. USA 2443691 (source). H.
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Hi all
Here is one in Royal Canadian Air Force service is 1958. The pic was found here: http://www.grostenquin.org/ . There are many more vehicle photos on the site but one really has to dig for them... Fyll |
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One of 58 F1PW Fargo Power Wagons bought by the Swedish Army in the late 1940s . . . left standing in the woods for thirty years . . . and dragged out recently for restoration (source)
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