Valcartier Sherman

[Steve Lehman]

Hi gents and ladies:

Hey gents, and ladies: A friend of mine from Dragoon days is trying to find out some information on the Valcartier Sherman, it's outside of hanger 310 of the 12 RBC. The info listed on the IPMS site is M4A2(76)HVSS Sherman. Any photos or history would be fantastic.

RBC Sherman.jpg

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Hi Steve, as shared elsewhere, I only have generic info but no history on this specific example:

“Tank, Combat, Full Tracked, 76 mm Gun, M4A2

In 1946 the Royal Canadian Corps was equipped with 300 M4A2(76)W HVSS Shermans, bought from the US for $1,460.00 each. They were used for training only. After being replaced by Centurions, the Shermans were passed down to various Militia regiments.
The Lord Strathcona's Horse Regiment which served in Korea used M4A3(76)W HVSS Shermans supplied by the USA.”

http://www.mapleleafup.nl/g104/cdn.htm

Also see the article at https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldw...herman-easy-8/

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Shermans, bought from the US for $1,460.00 each.

...that's a fair price...I'll take 2...

[MicS]

Originally Posted by Bruce Parker

...that's a fair price...I'll take 2...

US$1,460 (1946) = $20,895.17 (2021)

See https://www.dollartimes.com/inflation/inflation.php?

Still cheap if in running condition...
https://www.militarytrader.com/milit...a-sherman-tank

[daninnm]

super cheap - even if they don't run

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by MicS

US$1,460 (1946) = $20,895.17 (2021)

See https://www.dollartimes.com/inflation/inflation.php?

Still cheap if in running condition...
https://www.militarytrader.com/milit...a-sherman-tank

Back in 1945 the cost of these was (ref. http://www.mapleleafup.nl/g104/cost.htm):

• M4A2(76)HVSS/T66 $48,029
• M4A2(76)HVSS/T80 $50,928

I guess it was cheaper to give them away for an adminstrative cost than to scrap them. It was the second time the Canadian army bought surplus tanks off the USA on the cheap.

[maple_leaf_eh]

Originally Posted by Steve Lehman

Hi gents and ladies:

Hey gents, and ladies: A friend of mine from Dragoon days is trying to find out some information on the Valcartier Sherman, it's outside of hanger 310 of the 12 RBC. The info listed on the IPMS site is M4A2(76)HVSS Sherman. Any photos or history would be fantastic.

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What can be known? A good place would be to refer him to the Service Publications pamphlet on postwar Shermans published by Clive Law. There was a photo gallery of Shermans by their registration number that Clive maintained. Here is an MLU thread on the list. http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=29323


The acquisition history is well repeated already. What I believe the original questioner wants, is what is its service history? Detective work is required and not necessarily hoping one of us happens to know at the drop of a hat.

[Ed Storey]

Well we do know that it was not used by the TRR in Italy.

[Darrell Zinck]

Hi Steve

Long time. Hope you're good.

That's a good question ref the M4A2(76)W HVSS Shermans. And the having friends part...that was funny too.

Forum, was there a #(s) that wasn't painted on? Can the 45-78*** CAR be ID'd through hull or turret stamps?

I have to go get eyes on one that's been re-painted a bazillion times and no one has any idea what its number originally was.

regards
Darrell

[David Herbert]

There will be a hull number stamped into the top of a towing eye at the rear and also possibly the front if the front end hasn't been changed. However this is of limited use as I believe that there is no direct relationship between the hull number and the ARN which is what would be used to identify it once in service.

David

[Jakko Westerbeke]

Originally Posted by David Herbert

There will be a hull number stamped into the top of a towing eye at the rear and also possibly the front if the front end hasn't been changed.

Assuming it hasn’t rusted away or been filled with paint in the mean time, of course.

[maple_leaf_eh]

Originally Posted by Darrell Zinck

Hi Steve

Long time. Hope you're good.

That's a good question ref the M4A2(76)W HVSS Shermans. And the having friends part...that was funny too.

Forum, was there a #(s) that wasn't painted on? Can the 45-78*** CAR be ID'd through hull or turret stamps?

I have to go get eyes on one that's been re-painted a bazillion times and no one has any idea what its number originally was.

regards
Darrell

I strongly suspect the 12e's Sherman was a pool or turned in example from almost anywhere in Quebec. Heck! It could be an ex Sherbrooke Regiment tank, because I know they were turned in circa 1963. My father took me and my brothers for a family day ride in one; I was hooked on tanks ever since.

[Ed Storey]

Full marks to Le Régiment de Hull for painting their M4A2E8 in the correct markings when so many others do not.

M4A2E8 Regiment de Hull Armouries [1] copy.jpg