White ad

[Bill Murray]

I hope I have not posted this before, some interesting pics.
Bill

[cliff]

nice but a bit small Bill

[Bill Murray]

Sorry, Cliff:
I have troubles resizing a full page ad like this and I screwed up the original scan and cannot seem to fix it. Perhaps Hanno or you can resize it and clean it up.
Bill

[cliff]

Originally posted by Bill Murray
Sorry, Cliff:
I have troubles resizing a full page ad like this and I screwed up the original scan and cannot seem to fix it. Perhaps Hanno or you can resize it and clean it up.
Bill

Bill I tryed but when trying to size it up it distorts for me so no go on printing or pics...sorry

[Bill Murray]

Trying again. Okay, good as I can get it. It was on my other pc as well and I used a different editing program. Get out your magnifying glass

The original wasn't much better.
Bill

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Nice ad! I am conjecting ex-French orders to French Contract 'F57(69)' according to my notes, which were acquired under British Ministry of Supply Demands S/M 2007 and 2014. Models 922 and 760? S/M 2007 also had some 'Ruxtell' trucks listed although all were White-Ruxtell. Please excuse my ignorance over White trucks, and the connection with Ruxtell.

Where there is a tenuous connection with MLU subject matter with these orders is where these ex-French Whites were assembled, at least those delivered to England and not Egypt direct. They were in fact assembled in the Hendon plant of General Motors Limited, but by Vauxhall Motors Limited in their export boxing operation. Vauxhalls shipped out military Bedfords in crates after splitting them down on delivery from Luton. The man in charge from the Ministry was the father of the former editor of American Car World magazine and other titles, Tony Beadle. Mr Beadle Sr. was based at AEC's Southall works and had various works under his control in west London.

[Bill Murray]

Hallo David:

Pending further research that leads us elsewhere, I believe that these are both ex-French White Ruxtall 922 models.

Bart's book shows both the "White" 920 and the "White-Ruxtall" 922 and two more excellent prints can be found in the Bellona Handbook #3 "British Army Transport 1939-1945 Tank Transporters, Recovery Vehicles, Machinery Trucks".

All photos are as close to identical to these two on this thread as can be except they are "used" It also seems the side mounted spare got ditched in the field in favour of the front mounting.

As regards the three "truck" photos in my post, the first is said to be used in mining operations in the US and the Orient???

The second is used by British Forces to transport their tanks.

The third is described as a load carrier for British Forces in Africa and of course, so was the tank transporter.

Sadly, my files are in a mess again with all the moving and removing but I know I have a short article on these trucks with more detail somewhere. I will post more when I find it.
Edit: Ruxtall were involved in making differentials and I believe some, part or all of the reart bogie and diff systems on trucks such as White. Sort of like a Chev-Thornton or Ford-MH deal.
Bill

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

I have deleted the previous text as I have the definitive answer to hand: see next posting.

Census Numbers L 242806 and 242833 were listed as 'Lorry 10 ton 4 x 2' were allocated to White model 760 4 x 4s. These might have ended up as RAF aircraft transporters on the Liverpool Docks - Speke run alongside Fordson W0T3 and 7W Tructors.

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

WHEELS & TRACKS # 1 no less explains that the French ordered 704S 4 x 2 trucks, as G/S trucks and then at least one huge tanker. The French then ordered a large number of 6-wheel chassis of which 145 were fuel tankers: see below. The model 720 4 x 2 was rated in the US at 5-tons. The British apparently ordered very similar model 760 4 x 2 chassis of which 28 were used by the RASC..including L 242823 out of the batch L 242806 to 242833, 'Lorry 10-ton 4 x 2' acquired under S/M 2014 as a diverted order in fact. However, the file sheds a slightly different light on the 760s.

The National Archives file relating to the Ministry of Supply's acquisition of ex-French trucks [including Dodge T 203 4 x 4 with 12-foot metal cargo bodies..T203-B-143 acquired under S/M 2012] shows that on 18 July 1940 London was notified that 300 White-Ruxtell 922 'heavy duty double line axle' trucks were acquired under assignment, capacity 24 tons equipped with 18-feet cargo bodies and loading skis also double row winches. The bodies were 82 inches wide designed to take fighting vehicles.

Secondly, the tank trucks: the model 920 trucks had a 18,000-litre capacity, and 760 4 x 2s had a 13,000-litre capacity. Mack EXBX trucks also delivered under 2014 had tank bodies as well originally and either these bodies were sold off in the US or the RAF used them..the file is not specific.

Thirdly by December 1940, French contract F57(69) covered model 920, of which 10 were delivered to England under S/M 2014. The same contract may also have covered 150 Mack and 50 White model 760 trucks which were all under 2104 as well. That left the 300 White model 922 trucks delivered under S/M 2007.

In addition the Census List shows that numbers L 4166289 to 4166297 to S/M 2007 were listed as 'Ruxtell' trucks. This is probably because there were at least two shipments as not enough space was available ex-NYC on the ?Dutch? ship.

Which British trucks in the advert were 920 or 922 models I have no idea still, but could the top one be a 922?


Now I thought that the sheer scale of the $ expenditure by the French should be revealed.

1. 300 WHITE-RUXTELL 922 $3,373.500
2. 1500 GMC ACK-355 4 x 4 $2,559,000
3. 1000 GMC ACKW-355 6 x 6 $2,419,000
4. 1850 GMC AC-504 4 x 4 $3,518,700
5. 2650 CHEVROLET Houlder-Thornton 6 x 4 $5,233,750
6. 1500 DODGE T-203 4 x 4 $2,758,500

All but the Whites had bodies with collapsible troop seats.

Phew!

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by David_Hayward

WHEELS & TRACKS # 1 no less explains that the French ordered 704S 4 x 2 trucks, as G/S trucks

Is this Life Magazine picture showing the early demise of one of the French Army White 704S trucks?

A view showing an Army truck smashed into a tree. Location: France. Date taken: 1940

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Could be...it's one way of stopping the enemy getting a usable truck!

Did I really quote all that info in the previous posting? I can't recall doing so.
One suggestion from the son of the Ministry of Supply inspector stationed at AEC Southall, was that the Whites were uncrated at assembled at the GM Ltd-owned (former Hendon assembly plant to 1930) building in The Hyde onn Edgware Road, London. This partly a Frigidaire Ltd factory and partly leased to vauxhall Motors Ltd as a reverse export boxing plant. Makes sense!

[Mike K]

That White squished into the tree is a very good example of what modern car makers rave about .. cars now having a 'crumble zone' that absorbs the impact of a major accident ... the cab is intact and relatively undamaged . But I wonder if the engine is sitting beside the drivers seat !

[Grant Bowker]

Originally Posted by Mike Kelly

That White squished into the tree is a very good example of what modern car makers rave about .. cars now having a 'crumble zone' that absorbs the impact of a major accident ... the cab is intact and relatively undamaged . But I wonder if the engine is sitting beside the drivers seat !

Or whether the steering column and the drivers internal organs had an unplanned meeting..... an altogether too common occurence in past.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by serge

From time to time, it appears a wonderfull oldy to be sale mainly on a french web site "LE BON COIN". After a white 704 a MORRIS COMMERCIAL C8 is for sale.

Ah yes, here is the ad for the White 704

http://www.leboncoin.fr/utilitaires/...99.htm?ca=21_s

Amazing find, but it seems to be the same one as advertised before.

[serge]

Hello

After reading the last post of HANNO and the web site "LE BON COIN" , I can say that the truck is in "good hand" because the seller is also a military vehicle collector. Every year he comes with a WRAD LA FRANCE M1A1 and last year with a SEXTON at the great meeting "LE PAS DE CALAIS LIBERE".
This beauty full truck will be not scraped.
Best regards Serge