MKI rifle and MG stowage - Page 3

Bruce Parker (RIP) · #61 10-10-05, 19:22

Rob, thanks for the pictures and dimensions. How's this for a guess at the interior?

The bottom is lined with felt, then a piece of plywood sits on top with two 4" holes cut in it, and a space on one end for the ballitite cartridges. Towards the top of the box is another piece of plywood with similar holes cut in it, and it is secured in place by wood screws. That the box is only 15 cm tall, there could only have been two generators in it (they are almost 4" tall themselves).

You say this box came from the buried carriers in Manitoba. I was able to get the bin the holds the head of the Bren tripod (coloured yellow) from one of these carrier that went to the USA. I'll dig it out and get some dimensions on it. I'd also be interested to know if anybody has found (or has information on) the paired rifle boots just behind the battery (coloured red).

Lasty, I consulted an expert radio guy abut the 11 set clamps. He's as stymied as we are but has found a reference "in the Signal Training manual which
mentions "Clamps, mast, section (g)" under "Masts duralumin". The (g)
indicates that "Carried in Bags aerial gear, No 2 MK II". There is no
picture of these clamps and it sounds like they were not stored in a Bracket
Assembly."

Not sure what a Bags, Aerial Gear No. 2 Mk.II is. Tony, that aerial case is for a 19 set. The 4' 11 set sections would have been without a case on the engine cover as there are rubber linings in the clamps and only enough space for the 7/8" diameter rods.

Jordan Baker · #62 10-10-05, 22:59

Bruce is this the rifle holder you are talking about.

Ive included 2 pictures to show the item. I don't own them but the pictures came form a guy out west selling a buch of Mk1 stuff. Unfourtunalty I didn't get them but I think they all went to John Bizal. If he did get them he may be able to provide dimensions. I think I got one of the Boyes brackets from the same group.

Jordan Baker · #63 10-10-05, 23:02

Next picture

Bruce Parker (RIP) · #64 10-10-05, 23:59

Yes please!! I could scale it, and I have
dimensions on the Bren tripod socket, but those paired rifle boots are awfully sexy!! Details on the wooden floorboard would be helpfull too.

Rob, can you confirm the dimensions on the box? 12.5 and 15 cm sound reasonable, but did you mean 30 cm for the long dimension? Are these are O.D or I.D.?

rob love · #65 11-10-05, 15:58

That photo of the two sockets looks a lot like the set that were in my carrier when I traded it to Jim Rice. If it is the same one, there was little ramining of the floor board, so I made up a board out of some scrap. It is by no means the origional size.

Bruce, I'll confirm the measurements later today; the box has already been moved back out to the workshop. The box is somewhat distorted, so those measurements may not be as exact as one would need for perfection. I can't imagine what the upper piece of plywood looked like. The extra screw in the hinged area makes me think it may have been more than just a flat piece of plywood.

Bruce Parker (RIP) · #66 11-10-05, 18:19

I take it the rifle boot and Bren tripod socket were original? They sure look like it.

As to the smoke generator, your height was 15 cm or 6". By scaling the (accurate, I think) dimensions from the drawing above (Coventry manual), the generator rounds themselves are about 4" tall. A 6" tall box would take a 4" tall item with room for the felt padding and space at the top. I vote that this box took two rounds.

rob love · #67 12-10-05, 04:48

Bruce
Your theory about only holding 2 rounds sounds pretty good.
Yes the tripod socket and bren/rifle bracket are origionals.

Jordan Baker · #68 14-10-05, 03:59

I think this is one of the smoke generator rounds that would fit in the box. The price is a bit high in my mind but the picture shows what they look like.

Ebay Item number: 6567921706

http://cgi.ebay.com/smoke-grenade-ca...QQcmdZViewItem

Bruce Parker (RIP) · #69 24-10-05, 18:42

Another part I'm looking for information, construction details and dimensions on is the white disc and bracket on the rear underside attached to the right hand exhaust pipe. Does anyone have an original and can provide this?

Rob, were you ever able to firm up the dimensions on your smoke generator box?

Bruce

c. ladouceur (RIP) · #70 24-10-05, 22:44

Bruce,
I have an original,(it is painted green with slight traces of white peeking through).I will try to post pics or p.m. you with dimensions. Disc is 5 in. dia.,3/16 thick ,with( 2 x) 5/16 holes drilled diagonally at 1/2 in. centre from outside edge. There is a 5/16 bolt,1/2 long-(head of bolt is removed)-welded to center of arc of longest muffler bracket.There is another 5/16 bolt x5/8 long,which attaches to a 9in.long x 1in wide x3/8 thick bar. The end of the bar opposite the disc is cut at 45 deg. and has 2 holes drilled,1 at 1in,the other at 2 in. The holes are 1/4 dia. ,drilled on opposite sides of centre line running length,with the 1 in. hole on side nearest the point of the 45 deg.cut. Hope that is enough and not too much, LOL!
Cliff Ladouceur.

Bruce Parker (RIP) · #71 25-10-05, 00:17

The 9" bar has me a little uncertain...

(I'm sure it's just me)

c. ladouceur (RIP) · #72 25-10-05, 03:35

Bruce,
Is this what you're looking for? I'll try to make up the 9" bracket and send.

c. ladouceur (RIP) · #73 25-10-05, 03:39

again..

c. ladouceur (RIP) · #74 25-10-05, 03:47

lastly..

#75 25-10-05, 04:48

Whats that a messed up BEARTRAP Cliff? what is it? and do I need one or is it just an extra piec of cosmetic additive. LOL BIG(med) CLIFF you know your Stuff mate.

CHEERS BIG MIKE

Bruce Parker (RIP) · #76 25-10-05, 13:55

I have one even now in production (well later tonight actually, I'm at work so still in the official "planning stage")

BIG MIKE...I think this fits in the category '"if'n ya don't knoes what it is, ya probably don't needs it"

#77 25-10-05, 15:58

Hey BIG CLIFF can ja Tell me what that piece is in the forum?seems sum people to ignorant to tell me, istead they come off being a joker. makes BIG MIKE ready to pounce,LOL

CHEERS Pouncing BIG MIKE

Tony Smith · #78 25-10-05, 16:13

Quote:

Originally posted by Bruce Parker
WHITE DISC INFO SOUGHT
Another part I'm looking for information, construction details and dimensions on is the white disc and bracket on the rear underside attached to the right hand exhaust pipe. Does anyone have an original and can provide this?
Bruce

Quote:

Originally posted by c.ladouceur
Bruce,
I have an original,(it is painted green with slight traces of white peeking through).I will try to post pics

Mike, the white discs, or sometimes a circle of white paint on the differential, was used on Commonwealth vehicles as a Blackout Convoy marker. With the tail lights extinguished, the illuminated white disc/paint would be visible to the following driver, but not for example to Aircraft or an observer off to the side.

#79 25-10-05, 17:26

Thanks BIG TONY, well informed now.

Cheers BIG MIKE

Lynn Eades · #80 26-10-05, 05:47

Is there a light mounted behind the tool board to illuminate the disc or white painted diff housing?

Bruce Parker (RIP) · #81 26-10-05, 13:54

And a "red/white" toggle switch to change from this light to the tail light mounted like so:

(Don't pounce BIG MIKE, I'm including this on your "must have" list)

#82 26-10-05, 14:04

OK Bruce I won't pounce, Ok i see the water tank brackets the oil tank holders, the light, the rear panel, I think Jordan did a nice copy of the lite fixture and Dave at midwest does a nice oil tank holder, And Dave D. does great water tank brackets What is it I don't see??????? Bruce is this your vehicle? next years wish list for me on these items mate

Cheers BIG MIKE

#83 25-01-06, 18:09

Je wilikers Batman , Brad just noticed this lite on a Mk2 schemetic on the 2 lites I believe it's just for a mk2 carrier, Or the diogram maybe calls for 2 types of convoy lites?1 or the other. The BIG Frenchman Cliff L., will be Reproing those refector Disc's and arms soon, you want one? the Disc arm I believe is attached to the lower left Muffler holder bracket? i think, anywho

talk soon

Cheers BIG MIKE

rob love · #84 26-01-06, 01:39

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad Mills
In respect to the rear axel lamp...is this the correct one?

If it is, where does it mount and where does the actual diff plate mount in relation to the lamp?

Brad
Nope, thats not a carrier lamp. The lamp I have always seen is mounted to a bracket behind the tool plate, and uses the same style lamp as the rest of the carrier. If I recall correctly, it had the extension tube on it just like the old M-series vehicles, but don't quote me on that. I have the bracket hanging off a spare tool plate out in the back 40; I'll see what lamp is there, if any.
The plate mounts on the right side of the center of the differential

rob love · #85 09-02-06, 16:37

Wrong spot Brad. The curved pieces fit around the axle tube. The disc is low enought just to be seen from behind.
You'd have to run over someone for them to see it where you are putting it.

Stewart Loy · #86 09-02-06, 16:52

The back of a Carrier with markings is shown on Mike Dorosh's (equally) excellent site. try Canadiansoldier.com

rob love · #87 09-02-06, 21:17

Brad
I might be wrong on the mounting location being the axle. It's been about 10 years since I last installed one of these. I think I have one somewhere in my piles of carrier parts, but I am not up to that point of restoration yet.
What happens if you install it on the lower muffler bracket? Will the other bar match up with some other pair of bolts, such as the engine cover angle iron bolts?

Jordan Baker · #88 09-02-06, 23:00

Brad

It goes on the lower R.H. muffler mount. The bracket off of the disc should mount on or near one of the exhaust pipe guards.

If you turn it upside down from the way it was in your picture it should fit.

It is kind of illustrated in the part manual. The rear view of the Mk1 Mortar carrier.

c. ladouceur (RIP) · #89 09-02-06, 23:44

Brad,
Like Jordan said,the reflector mounts to the bottom right muffler.
You will have to remove part #CO1UC 105124 -CLIP- and substitute the modified reflector clip. The reflector will then hang up-side down,with the bent arm pointed toward the carrier.
Cliff.

c. ladouceur (RIP) · #90 10-02-06, 00:19

Brad,
Beer? Oh,is that what it is!
Cliff.