Modified Conventional Pattern Trucks

[Mike Kelly]

Originally Posted by Konstantin Chernov

I think that the photo is still a model E 10. The cab, separate from the body ( light truck ).

I understand where you are coming from . But remember that pic, the photo of AIF V-5252 is of a 1 Ton GS Van with 123" wheelbase, obviously with the separate cab/tub configuration. What's confusing is, in that parts book , GMH are calling that setup 'type E9 with special coupe body and canopy top ' . But, as far as I know, the longer wheelbase 1 Ton model was never fitted with a coupe style body ( I've never seen one anyway ), the coupe style was only used on the shorter wheelbase 113" model. Getting back to the E10 and E11. these are both the shorter 113" wheelbase models and the two body styles are there to be seen in the pics so nothing to dispute really ! A tip for you : The 1 Ton model has the short running board that end at the cab , the shorter 15 cwt models have the longer running boards that extend to the rear guards. The 15 cwt has special 7-50 - 16 tyres ( different to the civilian narrow tyres ) , the 1 ton type has 700 - 17 tyres

[Mike Kelly]

Pics from Syria and other M.E. places

[Konstantin Chernov]

Originally Posted by Mike Kelly

A tip for you : The 1 Ton model has the short running board that end at the cab , the shorter 15 cwt models have the longer running boards that extend to the rear guards.

Thanks for the clarification. The running board is hard to see in the photo AIF V-5252 , it is covered by an officer.
I have a question, which truck is in this photo ? An E9 with a 133 " wheelbase ?

[Mike Kelly]

Originally Posted by Konstantin Chernov

Thanks for the clarification. The running board is hard to see in the photo AIF V-5252 , it is covered by an officer.
I have a question, which truck is in this photo ? An E9 with a 133 " wheelbase ?

I would say 30 cwt with 900-18 tyres... interesting pic AIF 6549 and DOT ??

Pic taken in the N.T. ?

[Konstantin Chernov]

Originally Posted by Mike Kelly

AIF 6549 and DOT ??

What does the abbreviation mean "DOT" ?

[Tony Smith]

Originally Posted by Mike Kelly

I would say 30 cwt with 900-18 tyres... interesting pic AIF 6549 and DOT ??

Again, not much info from the AWM records, other than AIF L-6549 is part of a batch of Kitchen Lorries. Could this provide an explanation of "DOT"?

[Mike Kelly]

Are the drivers caps as issued to the rank 'Driver', a peculiar Australian thing ?

[Mike Kelly]

At least one of these made it to PNG where this scene was snapped

[Mike Kelly]

Originally Posted by Tony Smith

Again, not much info from the AWM records, other than AIF L-6549 is part of a batch of Kitchen Lorries. Could this provide an explanation of "DOT"?

Does anybody know who AH Jolly was, this individual or company is seen often as a purchaser of vehicles ?

[Tony Smith]

Originally Posted by Mike Kelly

Are the drivers caps as issued to the rank 'Driver', a peculiar Australian thing ?

The
"Other Ranks Peaked Cap" was derived from the WW1 AIF uniform, which was itself borrowed from the WW1 British uniform. Although an authorised issue to all O/R's of the 2nd AIF, it was typically worn by 2nd Echelon troops. Although the 2nd AIF had a smart new cut of uniform, the Militia retained the WW1 uniform through the 20's, 30's and 40's.

Australian WW2 versions have a leather trim or "wear strip" to the front of the cap visor. WW1 versions (Aust/ Brit/NZ) don't, and most remaining examples have the cloth split around the edge of the visor.

NZ also had a ORs peaked cap derived from their WW1 uniform, quite different form to the Aust cap. It was only a Service Dress item and not typically worn in the field.

[Mike Kelly]

Seems that Jolly was a name associated with Darwin and the N.T. generally. I would guess that the Jolly seen often in the ARN books was a surplus dealer/buyer in Darwin. Military district 7 was the N.T. so that adds to the story

[Konstantin Chernov]

How to identify these trucks correctly ? Chevrolet 15-40/E2 ?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Here's are some examples of the classes of trucks described above:

A Conventional truck: a regular Ford truck with stake and platform body. No chrome parts, only matt paint and military markings:

"Original Toronto Star caption: Traffic snarls were few as city police worked efficiently to clear the way for hundreds of army vehicles. This part of the parade is travelling north on Avenue Rd. from Queen's Park; where dense crowds saw the long procession. Date: 10/4/1940"
Source: https://digitalarchive.tpl.ca/object...efficiently-to


Another variation of a Conventional truck: civilian type Ford chassis/cab, fitted with a military body. No chrome parts, only matt paint and military markings. Having a military body, it could be classified as a Modified Conventional Pattern (MCP) truck, but is does not have the features normally seen on MCPs like WD divided rims, single rear tyres, RHD (for overseas use), military bumper and push bar, black out lighting system, WD towing hook, etc.

"Original Toronto Star caption: Camp borden experts tune them of; send them Roaring away for duty. One hundred and eighty U.S. tanks of world war vintage were at Camp Borden today for training a Canadian tank brigade; as another 34 arrived on a long line of flat cars. Date: 10/10/1940"
Source: https://digitalarchive.tpl.ca/object...aring-away-for

[Konstantin Chernov]

American Chevrolet 4402 or Canadian Chevrolet 1541? wb - 160" ?

[Scott Cacciamani]

Hi, Great tread. Does anyone have figures for Ford half ton pickups (15cwt) sold to the British army in Lybia or in general. I'm partcularly interestred in the 1940 models used by the lrdg. It appears at least the early ones were bought off a lot. I do see ford pickups in Palestine from 1937 on and it looks like the Indian army used a great many. thanks

[Konstantin Chernov]

Probably in the picture is a Maple Leaf 16 series 2.5-tone with a GM-H cab.How was this vehicle designated in Australia? 16-41/Е? What wheelbase could it have? 135 1/4", 159 1/4" or 177 1/4"?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Konstantin Chernov

Probably in the picture is a Maple Leaf 16 series 2.5-tone with a GM-H cab.How was this vehicle designated in Australia? 16-41/Е? What wheelbase could it have? 135 1/4", 159 1/4" or 177 1/4"?

The wheelbase should be listed in the chart found in this thread: What makes a truck a Maple Leaf?

[Konstantin Chernov]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

The wheelbase should be listed in the chart found in this thread: What makes a truck a Maple Leaf?

Thanks Hanno. The table shows three wheelbase sizes. I assume that the truck in the photo has - 159 1/4".