Under New Management - Page 3

Bill Murray · #61 29-12-05, 18:31

Need to wake this one up again.
A beute Morris that also qualifies as an umbau.
Bill

Bill Murray · #62 29-12-05, 18:56

And here a typical Belgian Chev.
Bill

Bill Murray · #63 29-12-05, 19:50

Another two:

Somewhere in Russia.
Looks British, closest I can come is an Albion but the cab is sort of homemade to me. It is a 6X4 and certainly has British tyres and wheels.
Any ideas?? Off an old ebay.de auction courtesy of Mr. Lehesten.
Bill

Bill Murray · #64 29-12-05, 19:51

And the other photo
bill

Richard Farrant · #65 29-12-05, 20:16

Quote:

Originally posted by Bill Murray
Another two:

Somewhere in Russia.
Looks British, closest I can come is an Albion but the cab is sort of homemade to me. It is a 6X4 and certainly has British tyres and wheels.
Any ideas??

Bill,

I reckon it is a Thonycroft Tartar WOF/AC4 3 ton 6x4.

Richard

Bill Murray · #66 29-12-05, 20:25

Thank you Richard. I am afraid I am not very good at identifying British trucks aside from the high volume common ones.

I assume this one was captured at Dunkirk. A testament to the truck as although they were moved a fair bit of a way by railroad waggon from Western Europe, once about 1,000 km out they were on their own. And...I am sure most British trucks were even less prepared for the Russian winter than the German ones.

In the case, the British truck is towing a German kubel which looks to me like a Mercedes 170 VK or one of the standard light personnel cars. How ironic!!
Bill

Richard Farrant · #67 29-12-05, 20:32

Quote:

Originally posted by Bill Murray
Thank you Richard. I am afraid I am not very good at identifying British trucks aside from the high volume common ones.l

Bill,

Good recognition points on this one to narrow it down from all the other 3 ton 6x4 trucks, was body features, front mudguards and brush bar. The radiator has a muff fitted so makes it harder to id.

richard

Bill Murray · #68 29-12-05, 22:53

Again, thanks Richard.
I really need to set up a recognition guide similar to what I have tried to do with US, German and other countries vehicles. I must say, however, that the German vehicles can be pretty hard to identify correctly also when it comes to the middle thirties models.

Not to bother you, but is that cab and cargo body original or is it an umbau with German made up cab and body??
Edit:
Uh Oh, look at that second photo. Is that not a tow cable on the front of our vehicle and is not the right side wheel and tyre off the ground??
Bill

Richard Farrant · #69 29-12-05, 23:34

Quote:

Originally posted by Bill Murray
Not to bother you, but is that cab and cargo body original or is it an umbau with German made up cab and body??
Edit:
Uh Oh, look at that second photo. Is that not a tow cable on the front of our vehicle and is not the right side wheel and tyre off the ground??

Bill,

Bodywork appears to be original as does cab, but it does look like doors have been added.

Not sure whether the wheel is actually off the ground but it does look like a tow rope attached and the three soldiers appear to be pushing the lorry.

Richard

Les Freathy · #70 30-12-05, 15:48

G,day everyone
I agree with Richard the 6x4 is a Thorneycroft the position of the rad is another pointer.
photo posted of another under new management, not sure if it was originally a Dutch or Belgian Ford artillery tractor
Also two photos of management the other way round, first a Famo 18 ton semi track captured by the British during the early part of the desert war and put to good use by the RAOC to recover tanks. This would have been prior to the forma,tion of REME
Second a schimwagon captured by US forces, note the Citroen car also in the background, written on the front mudguards/fenders is US Navy
Les

Les Freathy · #71 30-12-05, 15:50

semi

Les Freathy · #72 30-12-05, 15:51

schwim

Bill Murray · #73 31-12-05, 14:16

Hi Les:

That shot of the Ford V8-51 is quite nice indeed!!

I might suggest, though, that it was not originally a military vehicle. In part because of the civilian tyhpe wheels and tyres.

What it reminds me of is a vehicle that was rather common in at least Scandinavia and Switzerland, a PostBus. I will try to find some photos I have somewhere of these things.

Basically, they were half passenger vehicle, built on a bus or medium truck chassis, and half mail and cargo vehicle. They serviced the remote towns and villages and I suppose were in some cases the only link these villages had with "the world".

Lang · #74 18-01-06, 05:21

I think I remember this shot already on the forum somewhere but the group of Africa Corps people in front of a tidy captured Ford is pretty interesting.

Frantisek Nachlinger · #75 18-01-06, 09:43

Quote:

Originally posted by Bill Murray
Another two:

Somewhere in Russia.
Looks British, closest I can come is an Albion but the cab is sort of homemade to me. It is a 6X4 and certainly has British tyres and wheels.
Any ideas?? Off an old ebay.de auction courtesy of Mr. Lehesten.
Bill

Hello guys

I´m nearly sure that this truck is a rare SPA 6x4 in Wehrmacht service.. I don´t know the type, but we´ve got it home, but someone has put another WWII german cabine on it (you can see the clasic german table of dimensions...).. we have the orig. front window, (as you can see on Bill´s photos, it is originaly a "cabrio") but too much work and too less time..

the handle on the right door is from Chevy C8A 1C11

Frantisek Nachlinger · #76 18-01-06, 09:44

The left side look.. but now I´m looking to both photos and am less and less sure, that I´m rihgt

Lang · #77 18-01-06, 10:36

Frantisek,

I agree with Bill that this is one of those unbelievably ugly British forward control WW2 trucks which originally had a roof on it designed for a horse carriage in 1742.

Lang

Frantisek Nachlinger · #78 18-01-06, 10:54

OK, I agrere

I´m really sorry for mistification

Les Freathy · #79 18-01-06, 11:13

Guys
Looking at Frantiseks photo i would say that is a Fiat Spa Dovunque of Italian origen
Les

Bill Murray · #80 18-01-06, 21:33

Hi Guys:
I should warn you that beute vehicles are my favorite subject and as I am now through with the Christmas madness at the shop you may get more than you want.
Here is a two for one, a 1937 Chevrolet coach which is a rather rare vehicle in Europe.
Bill

Bill Murray · #81 18-01-06, 21:39

And a GMC. ex French I would imagine

Bill Murray · #82 18-01-06, 21:41

A Ford

Bill Murray · #83 18-01-06, 21:43

How about a Rosengart (French and very rare) just to keep it interesting. These are all from expired ebay auctions.
Bill

Bill Murray · #84 18-01-06, 22:10

Another Ford that was sold as a beute but I am not positive.
The German Ordnungspolizie had similar squad cars although not usually with side mounted spares. If a beute, it would most likely be Dutch or Belgian.
Bill

Bill Murray · #85 18-01-06, 22:41

How about a yard full of Gaz/Ford AA and AAA trucks.
Bill

Bill Murray · #86 18-01-06, 22:43

Or an ex French Contract Studebaker (#2 in column).

Bill Murray · #87 18-01-06, 22:45

Now, a Dodge, presumably French and I imagine some sort of garage wrecker originally or maybe just an open delivery truck.
Bill

Bill Murray · #88 18-01-06, 23:05

A few more.
I assume this is a Chev Trekker.

Bill Murray · #89 18-01-06, 23:06

Another Chev. On it's way to???????

Bill Murray · #90 18-01-06, 23:07

Always was partial to Chryslers