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Old 22-02-06, 07:18
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Hi there!

So how many if any other members on here have Fv1600 1 ton Humber or one of its spin offs?

Here is a shot of mine shoe horned in the shed. It was used by the Aust Army untill the mid/late 60's and is a cargo FFW.

More info and pics soon!

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M3 Stuart Light Tank "hybrid"
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Old 22-02-06, 16:31
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Well here is a photo of it when I first picked it up. It had belonged to a Bush Fire Brigade West of Katoomba NSW and had not gone in many years.
So after 1000 Klm transport up to Brisbane and 4mths of much work the beast was on full road rego and completed a 9000 klm road trip throught central Australia as part of the VP50 bash in 1995.
It did an average of 7.5mpg(Imp Gals that is) and consumed $3000 worth of fuel.
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Chev "BLITZ's" (CMP's)
Inc:- No.8 FGT, C8A HUW, C15, No.9 GCT (sold)
Milt Land Rovers
Inc:- 58 "gun buggy", 60 FFW, 70 FFW, 71 10 seater Wgn, 69 GS.
M3 Stuart Light Tank "hybrid"
FV1600 Humber FFW/cargo
Mk1 Ferret scout car (waiting restoration)
Various trailers
Inc:- K38, "Ben Hur" 1 ton, 200 Gal "Humber" water tank Tlr, Aust jeep, Landrover recovery.
Milt Radios
etc etc...
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Old 22-02-06, 16:39
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OTB,

A really good restoration job, and not just a museum piece. Did you have to remove rust from the front corners of the cabtop ?

Always found it curious that the makers placed their bonnet catches facing down, ie letting all the water accumulate inside the workings. And that they would produce a 4 ton vehicle with a 1 ton payload.

They are a thirsty beast, aren't they ?


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Old 22-02-06, 18:37
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Nice to see a Humber that is loved & used. Fuel consumption not too bad really. The text book is 9mpg on normal roads, off road is not quoted which can be so variable I suppose. Look forward to seeing some more pics esp the chassis plate.

As for other FV1600s, I have:
FV1600 (beyond restoration)
FV1609 (restored & running)
FV1612 (restored but engine bust)
FV1620 (restored & running)


See what I mean about beyond restoration
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Old 22-02-06, 20:28
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Quote:
Originally posted by oztankboy
the beast was on full road rego and completed a 9000 klm road trip throught central Australia as part of the VP50 bash in 1995.
Hi Phil,

I remember seeing you join us on the Back To The Track, for the final run in to Darwin. I was driving with Dave Brown in his Land Rover 2a.

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Old 23-02-06, 01:08
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Good to see some Humber 1tonners in captivity in Aus, not that many made it down under
these shots may interest you guys first two prototypes early soft top and one of the pre production trucks
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Old 23-02-06, 01:11
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secondly two wireless models one at Ruddington auction mid 1960s and one in a dealers yard, the auction Humber looked to be a good buy.
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Old 23-02-06, 07:09
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Well my Humber is a std cargo but with some mods to make it a FFW.
Some of the Mods are:-
*Small box on the outside rear of the cab on the blanked off window to take harness cable.
*Shielded access point near the box to alow harness cable into cab.
*Mounting holes on the drivers side of the passenger seat for a Control unit type 'C' or 'D'.
*Pre-drilled holes in both sides of the rear body, front and rear for antenna mounts.
*Power junction box at the front left inside corner of the head board.
Thats about it as the truck still retained the std single speed generator and also winch. Though I have seen 1 with these mods without winch and by it's colours I am guessing it was a ex Woomera truck.
Radios were run off battery packs and not the trucks batteries and they were recharged by a 12v 300watt Chore-horse gen set.

My truck had rust in all the usual places...roof and sills but overall was in a good condition. Still has its original engine. Best MPG recorded was 9mpg. It's been fitted out with a C11~R210 and C42 set.

Back in 1999 I aquired a few ton of NOS and seconhand parts, as well as the remains of another truck. ended up with enough parts to just about build a truck with all new running gear bar the clutch and engine. Also NOS mud guards, fuel tanks, glass, seals etc etc.

So currently the "Beast" is off the road as I think one of the CV joints is just about to throw the towel in... so thats parts are going to come in handy now. When I get motivated to take it on again.

More to follow...

Phil...
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Chev "BLITZ's" (CMP's)
Inc:- No.8 FGT, C8A HUW, C15, No.9 GCT (sold)
Milt Land Rovers
Inc:- 58 "gun buggy", 60 FFW, 70 FFW, 71 10 seater Wgn, 69 GS.
M3 Stuart Light Tank "hybrid"
FV1600 Humber FFW/cargo
Mk1 Ferret scout car (waiting restoration)
Various trailers
Inc:- K38, "Ben Hur" 1 ton, 200 Gal "Humber" water tank Tlr, Aust jeep, Landrover recovery.
Milt Radios
etc etc...
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Old 29-03-06, 17:32
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Ok here are a few more pics of my Humber...
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Chev "BLITZ's" (CMP's)
Inc:- No.8 FGT, C8A HUW, C15, No.9 GCT (sold)
Milt Land Rovers
Inc:- 58 "gun buggy", 60 FFW, 70 FFW, 71 10 seater Wgn, 69 GS.
M3 Stuart Light Tank "hybrid"
FV1600 Humber FFW/cargo
Mk1 Ferret scout car (waiting restoration)
Various trailers
Inc:- K38, "Ben Hur" 1 ton, 200 Gal "Humber" water tank Tlr, Aust jeep, Landrover recovery.
Milt Radios
etc etc...
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Old 30-03-06, 12:16
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Ok the previous pic was of the Humber in the NT 1995 after the "Back to the Track" run. Thats a ants nes next to it... you sould see the ants!

Now the next few were taken at a near by ANZAC day march. We made a special set of stepd to replace the tail gate so we could get the old veterains in to the back. They loved the ride up there in the back!

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collection includes:-
Chev "BLITZ's" (CMP's)
Inc:- No.8 FGT, C8A HUW, C15, No.9 GCT (sold)
Milt Land Rovers
Inc:- 58 "gun buggy", 60 FFW, 70 FFW, 71 10 seater Wgn, 69 GS.
M3 Stuart Light Tank "hybrid"
FV1600 Humber FFW/cargo
Mk1 Ferret scout car (waiting restoration)
Various trailers
Inc:- K38, "Ben Hur" 1 ton, 200 Gal "Humber" water tank Tlr, Aust jeep, Landrover recovery.
Milt Radios
etc etc...
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Old 30-03-06, 12:16
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Default The Melbourne Tank Museum auction

There's one in the auction:
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Old 30-03-06, 12:17
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Next 1!
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collection includes:-
Chev "BLITZ's" (CMP's)
Inc:- No.8 FGT, C8A HUW, C15, No.9 GCT (sold)
Milt Land Rovers
Inc:- 58 "gun buggy", 60 FFW, 70 FFW, 71 10 seater Wgn, 69 GS.
M3 Stuart Light Tank "hybrid"
FV1600 Humber FFW/cargo
Mk1 Ferret scout car (waiting restoration)
Various trailers
Inc:- K38, "Ben Hur" 1 ton, 200 Gal "Humber" water tank Tlr, Aust jeep, Landrover recovery.
Milt Radios
etc etc...
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Old 30-03-06, 12:20
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And the last 1 !

Oh and BTW if any one is after parts for a FV1600 I have some NOS and used parts... front and rear guards, fuel tanks, mech parts etc etc...

Phil...
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collection includes:-
Chev "BLITZ's" (CMP's)
Inc:- No.8 FGT, C8A HUW, C15, No.9 GCT (sold)
Milt Land Rovers
Inc:- 58 "gun buggy", 60 FFW, 70 FFW, 71 10 seater Wgn, 69 GS.
M3 Stuart Light Tank "hybrid"
FV1600 Humber FFW/cargo
Mk1 Ferret scout car (waiting restoration)
Various trailers
Inc:- K38, "Ben Hur" 1 ton, 200 Gal "Humber" water tank Tlr, Aust jeep, Landrover recovery.
Milt Radios
etc etc...
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Old 30-03-06, 12:22
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Finaly a NT sunset off the Humber bonnet... (new I should of fixed that dent)

Phil...
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collection includes:-
Chev "BLITZ's" (CMP's)
Inc:- No.8 FGT, C8A HUW, C15, No.9 GCT (sold)
Milt Land Rovers
Inc:- 58 "gun buggy", 60 FFW, 70 FFW, 71 10 seater Wgn, 69 GS.
M3 Stuart Light Tank "hybrid"
FV1600 Humber FFW/cargo
Mk1 Ferret scout car (waiting restoration)
Various trailers
Inc:- K38, "Ben Hur" 1 ton, 200 Gal "Humber" water tank Tlr, Aust jeep, Landrover recovery.
Milt Radios
etc etc...
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Old 30-03-06, 12:24
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Knew I forgot something... the photo!
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collection includes:-
Chev "BLITZ's" (CMP's)
Inc:- No.8 FGT, C8A HUW, C15, No.9 GCT (sold)
Milt Land Rovers
Inc:- 58 "gun buggy", 60 FFW, 70 FFW, 71 10 seater Wgn, 69 GS.
M3 Stuart Light Tank "hybrid"
FV1600 Humber FFW/cargo
Mk1 Ferret scout car (waiting restoration)
Various trailers
Inc:- K38, "Ben Hur" 1 ton, 200 Gal "Humber" water tank Tlr, Aust jeep, Landrover recovery.
Milt Radios
etc etc...
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Old 30-03-06, 17:09
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Last 1 for the night...
We put on a small display at the 99 4x4 show...
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collection includes:-
Chev "BLITZ's" (CMP's)
Inc:- No.8 FGT, C8A HUW, C15, No.9 GCT (sold)
Milt Land Rovers
Inc:- 58 "gun buggy", 60 FFW, 70 FFW, 71 10 seater Wgn, 69 GS.
M3 Stuart Light Tank "hybrid"
FV1600 Humber FFW/cargo
Mk1 Ferret scout car (waiting restoration)
Various trailers
Inc:- K38, "Ben Hur" 1 ton, 200 Gal "Humber" water tank Tlr, Aust jeep, Landrover recovery.
Milt Radios
etc etc...
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Old 12-04-06, 03:58
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Great pictures
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Old 15-04-06, 15:33
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Our family's first MV was a Humber bought in 1978, Dad took us camping everywhere in it.

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Old 16-04-06, 01:27
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Default A couple more from Belfield's yard

These are not in the auction...


The superstructure in the background is on a CMP.


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Old 16-04-06, 02:36
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There are 2 Burnt Humbers south of Nowra NSW, They are or were very complete, one still had all Army markings and both spare tyres still had beads on them.
We took a few engine parts and Carbies, then sais our goodbye's.

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Old 18-04-06, 18:10
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Hi,
does this model also use the Lucas waterproof distributor with twin, handed points? I am in need of a pair of 410828, can anyone advise where to locate.
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Old 18-04-06, 22:24
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Hi,
does this model also use the Lucas waterproof distributor with twin, handed points? I am in need of a pair of 410828, can anyone advise where to locate.
Dave,

No, not the same points, this Humber has the Rolls B60 engine, same dizzy as a Ferret. You are after some for a Dingo no doubt? Will keep a look out.

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Old 18-04-06, 22:36
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Hi,
does this model also use the Lucas waterproof distributor with twin, handed points? I am in need of a pair of 410828, can anyone advise where to locate.
Cheers,
Dave
The Humber 1 ton uses the RR B Range engine and all of these whether in 4, 6 or 8 cylinder guise use the same Lucas screened distributor. Only the rotor arm for governed service, caps for 4/8 or 6 cyl use, and the cam as a 4 or 3 lobe item changes from one engine to the other. All the point sets are the same and not handed.

The B60 engine in the Humber 1 ton is the same (some external ancillary differences) as the Humber Pig and Ferret. The point sets are available from Marcus Glenn http://www.marcusglenn.com/

I have some if you're really stuck but I had to buy them too and a depletion of what I have may well make my mind up to do a Jolley Eng electronic conversion.

Note the 6 cyl twin point configuration of the Lucas distributor is in effect two 3 cyl ignition systens running on a common 3 lobe cam. It is essential both sets are correctly timed 180 apart at the distributor and therefore 360 at the engine by using the marks for No.1 and No.6 cyls respectively. However you will find the movement of the adjustable set also alters the gapping and a few thou here makes a huge difference to the relative sync angle.

Its a bit of a fiddle I'm afraid.

Do not attempt dynamic timing with a strobe as the mechanical advance is intentionally operative on or about idle and your settings will be very wrong.

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Old 18-04-06, 23:22
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Hi Guys,
similar but different, a very familiar story. I have a Dingo MkIII and while the points that came with it work now, I cannot see them lasting forever. So, a spare set would be a good insurance policy. Finding them is the hard part.
The car starts amazingly well, even from cold, so the bench setting and testing I performed on the distributor paid off (or was that just dumb luck?). Besides, it was certainly much easier to work on at bench height. I also have a force gauge, which I use to measure the points (pressure against the cam) and also to measure the pull to remove the feeler gauge. As you said, with twin points there are many variables, carefull setting helps get things balanced fairly well.
Thanks for the information.
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Old 19-04-06, 00:15
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Hi Guys,
similar but different, a very familiar story. I have a Dingo MkIII and while the points that came with it work now, I cannot see them lasting forever. So, a spare set would be a good insurance policy. Finding them is the hard part.
Yup, then it really is time for a Jolley Eng. or Pertronix kit, depending on your continent!

However, you may well find Champ Spares have them but be prepared for a deep pocket dig. . . . . . . . . . . . . .
http://www.champspares.com/

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Old 19-04-06, 02:42
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Just adding some photos for Dennis M. Yes, I know one is a CMP, but the other is relavent.

Both are in the sydney area if anybody is interested in them.



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Old 19-04-06, 03:58
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Is one of those fairly rare (at least here they are) late production F15As.

Any more pics or details?
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Old 19-04-06, 04:01
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Dennis will be able to put up more details (or pass more on to me). Unfortunateley I can't provide you any more information as i'm posting them for him. I'll let you know any more details as I get them
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Old 20-04-06, 02:01
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another pic of the CMP for you Keith

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Old 23-04-06, 12:20
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Hi all!

Just bought the Humber from the Melbourne tank museum auction today.
Does anyone have manual's for one of these i think i need it!
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