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Old 09-10-22, 13:35
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Sharing an ad of fellow KTR member Arie Hamer. He has had this C15A for 30 odd years, always stored inside. Now it is time to move it on to a new home.

Arie's Dutch ad roughly translates as: "CMP Chevrolet C15A Water bowser 1940. Cab 12, one of the first series, completed in England with, among other things, a fixed front window. Imported from England a long time ago and put away in driving condition. Always stored dry. Matching numbers. With import papers and tax paid. NOS headlights are supplied to replace the British headlights, as well as the correct dashboard, etc. The engine must be restarted, and the brakes must be checked. Asking EUR 17,950"


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CMP Chevrolet C15A Water bowser 1940. Cap 12, een van de eerste series, in Engeland afgebouwd met o.a. een vast voorraam. Lang geleden uit Engeland ge´mporteerd en rijdend weg gezet. Altijd droog gestald. Matching nummers. Met invoerpapieren en betaalde belasting. NOS koplampen worden ter vervanging van de Britse koplampen mee geleverd alsmede het correcte dashboard e.d. Motor moet weer opgestart worden en de remmen moeten worden nagezien.
Vr Pr 17950

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Spankeren, The Netherlands
M: +31651348311
E: a-hamer@ziggo.nl

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Old 09-10-22, 22:08
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Here are a couple extra pictures I took of the truck. Interesting to note is that it's a British water tank. I've seen pictures of these on a Cab 11 Ford F15A, but not on a C15A Water Bowser Chassis. Does anyone have more info on this?
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Old 09-10-22, 22:13
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...And a couple more.

Also interesting to note that this truck is featured in Les Freathy's 'British Military Trucks Of World War Two'.
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Old 10-10-22, 11:17
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Marty,

There has been discussion in the past about early CMP's fitted with British water tanks in the UK. Some show a slightly egg-shaped tank, but the truck in question seems to be fitted with the more common Bedford MW style tank. . I have no clear answer if this is a wartime combo, or if this was done during preservation. Maybe Owen knows more(?)

In my opinion the truck is a Cab11, retrofitted with a Cab12 nose, as it's supposedly 1940 built, has no arms to put the doors in open position, fixed windscreen, solid mirror arms, no ribs on top of the fenders going to the marker lights and no cutouts in the rear wall flange behind the driver seat. It would be interesting to see if it has strenghtening plates under the floor....and the brace behind the radiator.
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Old 10-10-22, 14:11
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In the photos above, I do not see either the stiffening plates under the cab floor or the brace behind the radiator that would point to cab 12.
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Old 10-10-22, 14:32
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I'm not that well-versed in these at all. but If I'm not mistaken, the serial 08444042XX does point to it being a 12 Cab right? So could this be a transition model between the 11 and 12 Cab? It's definitely an early 12 Cab if that is indeed it.
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I'm not that well-versed in these at all. but If I'm not mistaken, the serial 08444042XX does point to it being a 12 Cab right?
Good point. Indeed, the parts lists seem to suggest the change in cab came at serial 084XX04001, so if 08444042XX is the chassis number, this could indeed be a very early cab 12.
Do you have any pictures of the footwells? Does is have the cables to control the vents in the nose, or at least the rounded hole in the footwell?
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Old 10-10-22, 23:12
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Do you have any pictures of the footwells? Does it have the cables to control the vents in the nose, or at least the rounded hole in the footwell?
Sorry, no clear pictures. Only one of the driver's side where the truck was modified to make more room for the driver's legs/feet. There were no control cables. The vents were there though if I recall correctly.
I do have two pictures from under the hood where, if I'm not mistaken, you can (just barely) see the vents from the outside.
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Old 10-10-22, 23:59
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The vents were there though if I recall correctly.
I do have two pictures from under the hood where, if I'm not mistaken, you can (just barely) see the vents from the outside.
Hi Marty, yes, those are the vents indeed....and the pictures also show the Cab 12 brace behind the radiator. The vents came somewhere in the second half of 1940 during cab 11 production and were fitted to all cab 12's. My first assumption was that this truck was an early cab 11 (as it has a lot of early features) to which someone had fitted a 12cab nose and vents, but it seems I might be wrong here and it could well be a very early (nov/dec 1940?) cab12, with a mix of cab 11/12 features caused by the switch from one cab to the other and the parts on the production line being used up.
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I neded to back-track, in two of the photos above I can see the ends of the stiffening brace just behind the radiator (one to each side of the radiator).
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Old 11-10-22, 16:25
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Hi Marty, yes, those are the vents indeed....and the pictures also show the Cab 12 brace behind the radiator. The vents came somewhere in the second half of 1940 during cab 11 production and were fitted to all cab 12's. My first assumption was that this truck was an early cab 11 (as it has a lot of early features) to which someone had fitted a 12cab nose and vents, but it seems I might be wrong here and it could well be a very early (nov/dec 1940?) cab12, with a mix of cab 11/12 features caused by the switch from one cab to the other and the parts on the production line being used up.
Nice research, gents!

This could be a very interesting example of a "Cab 11 to 12 transition" CMP thup2:

PS: I added Arie's email address in the first posting (or click this link) so he can be reached easily by prospective buyers.
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