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Old 18-08-10, 20:47
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Not sure if this info has been posted already, but I thought i'd throw it up for you Ferret guys:

Year Number HUIC Holding Unit ERN ERN Description
1954 82500* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82501* 0105* CFB/ASU Gagetown 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82502* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82503* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82504* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82505* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82506* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82507* 0118* CFB/ASU Shilo 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82508* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82509* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82510* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82511* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82512* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82513* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82514* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82515* 0121* CFB Moose Jaw 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82516* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82517* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82518* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82519* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82520* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82521* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82522* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82523* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82524* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82526* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82527* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82528* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82529* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82530* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82531* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82532* 0105* CFB/ASU Gagetown 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82533* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82534* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82535* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82536* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82537* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82538* 0121* CFB Moose Jaw 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82539* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82540* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82541* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82542* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82543* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82544* 0121* CFB Moose Jaw 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82545* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82546* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82547* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82548* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82549* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82550* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82551* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82552* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82553* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82554* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82555* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82556* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82557* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82558* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82559* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82560* 0118* CFB/ASU Shilo 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82561* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82562* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82563* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82564* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82565* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82566* 0118* CFB/ASU Shilo 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82567* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82568* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82569* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82570* 0130* CFB/ASU Montréal 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82571* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82572* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82573* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82574* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82576* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82577* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82580* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82581* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82582* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82583* 0102* CFB Greenwood 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82584* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82585* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82586* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82587* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82588* 0121* CFB Moose Jaw 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82589* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82590* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82591* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82592* 1732* CFB EDMONTON DETACHMENT WAINWR 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82593* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82594* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82595* 1755* LORD STRATHCONA'S HORSE(ROYAL 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82597* 1732* CFB EDMONTON DETACHMENT WAINWR 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82598* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82599* 0113* CFB Borden 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82600* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82601* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82602* 0102* CFB Greenwood 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82603* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82604* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82605* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82606* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82607* 1732* CFB EDMONTON DETACHMENT WAINWR 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82608* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82610* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82611* 0118* CFB/ASU Shilo 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82612* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82613* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82614* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82615* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82616* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82617* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82618* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82619* 1732* CFB EDMONTON DETACHMENT WAINWR 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82620* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82621* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82622* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1
1954 82623* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1

If anyone requires more specific details please just reply here.

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Old 18-08-10, 23:02
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Once in a while, an owner has surfaced who cannot find the CFR stamped on the hull but does have the british serial number. Does the EDR viewer have the serial numbers of the vehicles available?

I have /had a list of all the Cdn Ferrets and their final disposal. It did not have the serials either.
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Old 19-08-10, 01:44
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Once in a while, an owner has surfaced who cannot find the CFR stamped on the hull but does have the british serial number. Does the EDR viewer have the serial numbers of the vehicles available?

I have /had a list of all the Cdn Ferrets and their final disposal. It did not have the serials either.
Rob, I'd have to go back and look, but I'm almost positive the serial numbers are there as well. In addition, the maintenance records are also on there, although they don't mention the actual repair details, the dates, mileage and the Unit performing work is listed. Some records also have the VMO info.

If anyone is after info on a specific CFR, post it up and I'll gather the info. Time is tight for me now, otherwise I'd pull all of the info on the whole Ferret fleet. Having said that, if there is huge demand for it, I'd consider staying late a few nights to download it all.

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OK, I managed to gather this up over a few hours this morning. Below in the CAR/CFR with corresponding UK Serial Number as well as the last Unit the Chassis was issued to prior to going for disposal. The list above only showed the Base they were auctioned at, whereas this is the actual Unit they served with. In the case of RCD and 8 CH, i'm assuming these Units switched back and forth between Germany and Petawawa or something, as the maintenance logs showed both Units at some point. 82599 must have been the Veh Tech trainer from Borden as it had no Unit service records outside of Borden. 82609 is missing. Lastly, the info in EDR started in the early 70's, so timelines are limited to that, ie vehicles may have served with other Units prior to the 70's, this data is limited to the 70's+.

Year CAR Ser Number Last Unit Issued
1954 82500* 35BA57 8 CH
1954 82501* 35BA59 12 RBC
1954 82502* 35BA60 12 RBC
1954 82503* 35BA61 12 RBC
1954 82504* 35BA62 8 CH
1954 82505* 35BA63 LDSH
1954 82506* 35BA64 8 CH
1954 82507* 35BA65 LDSH
1954 82508* 35BA66 RCD
1954 82509* 35BA68 8 CH
1954 82510* 35BA69 LDSH
1954 82511* 35BA70 12 RBC
1954 82512* 35BA71 12 RBC
1954 82513* 35BA72 RCD
1954 82514* 35BA73 12 RBC
1954 82515* 35BA74 LDSH
1954 82516* 35BA75 12 RBC
1954 82517* 35BA76 LDSH
1954 82518* 35BA78 LDSH
1954 82519* 36BA85 RCD
1954 82520* 36BA00 LDSH
1954 82521* 36BA08 LDSH
1954 82522* 35BA58 12 RBC
1954 82523* 35BA67 LDSH
1954 82524* 35BA77 LDSH
1954 82526* 35BA81 RCD
1954 82527* 35BA82 12 RBC
1954 82528* 35BA83 12 RBC
1954 82529* 35BA84 12 RBC
1954 82530* 35BA85 12 RBC
1954 82531* 35BA86 12 RBC
1954 82532* 35BA87 12 RBC
1954 82533* 35BA88 12 RBC
1954 82534* 35BA89 LDSH
1954 82535* 35BA90 RCD
1954 82536* 35BA91 12 RBC
1954 82537* 35BA92 8 CH
1954 82538* 35BA93 LDSH
1954 82539* 35BA94 12 RBC
1954 82540* 35BA95 12 RBC
1954 82541* 35BA96 12 RBC
1954 82542* 35BA97 12 RBC
1954 82543* 35BA98 LDSH
1954 82544* 35BA99 LDSH
1954 82545* 36BA02 12 RBC
1954 82546* 36BA06 12 RBC
1954 82547* 36BA09 12 RBC
1954 82548* 36BA13 12 RBC
1954 82549* 36BA15 12 RBC
1954 82550* 36BA18 RCD
1954 82551* 36BA20 RCD
1954 82552* 36BA21 RCD
1954 82553* 36BA22 RCD
1954 82554* 36BA23 RCD
1954 82555* 36BA24 RCD
1954 82556* 36BA26 12 RBC
1954 82557* 36BA27 12 RBC
1954 82558* 36BA31 LDSH
1954 82559* 36BA33 12 RBC
1954 82560* 36BA34 LDSH
1954 82561* 36BA36 RCD
1954 82562* 36BA37 RCD
1954 82563* 36BA39 RCD
1954 82564* 36BA41 RCD
1954 82565* 36BA03 12 RBC
1954 82566* 36BA04 LDSH
1954 82567* 36BA07 8 CH
1954 82568* 36BA10 8 CH
1954 82569* 36BA11 12 RBC
1954 82570* 36BA12 RCD
1954 82571* 36BA14 LDSH
1954 82572* 36BA16 LDSH
1954 82573* 36BA17 12 RBC
1954 82574* 36BA29 LDSH
1954 82576* 36BA05 12 RBC
1954 82577* 36BA19 LDSH
1954 82580* 36BA30 12 RBC
1954 82581* 36BA32 12 RBC
1954 82582* 36BA35 RCD
1954 82583* 36BA38 RCD
1954 82584* 36BA40 12 RBC
1954 82585* 36BA43 12 RBC
1954 82586* 36BA46 12 RBC
1954 82587* 36BA57 LDSH
1954 82588* 36BA58 LDSH
1954 82589* 36BA60 12 RBC
1954 82590* 36BA61 RCD
1954 82591* 36BA62 LDSH
1954 82592* 36BA63 LDSH
1954 82593* 36BA64 8 CH
1954 82594* 36BA65 RCD
1954 82595* 36BA53 LDSH
1954 82597* 36BA59 LDSH
1954 82598* 36BA66 LDSH
1954 82599* 36BA70 Borden (Trainer)
1954 82600* 36BA72 8 CH
1954 82601* 36BA73 12 RBC
1954 82602* 36BA84 RCD
1954 82603* 35BA79 12 RBC
1954 82604* 36BA91 RCD
1954 82605* 36BA55 LDSH
1954 82606* 36BA80 LDSH
1954 82607* 36BA83 LDSH
1954 82608* 36BA88 LDSH
1954 82610* 37BA13 LDSH
1954 82611* 37BA15 LDSH
1954 82612* 37BA22 12 RBC
1954 82613* 37BA25 12 RBC
1954 82614* 37BA28 12 RBC
1954 82615* N&K LDSH (Serial Number was marked N&K)
1954 82616* 37BA29 LDSH
1954 82617* 37BA24 LDSH
1954 82618* 37BA27 LDSH
1954 82619* 37BA19 LDSH
1954 82620* 37BA26 RCD
1954 82621* 37BA20 LDSH
1954 82622* 37BA31 LDSH
1954 82623* 37BA34 LDSH

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I don't have a Ferret or plans to get one, but thank you for taking the time to find and publish these lists.
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Scotty,
Can I copy this data into my post-war vehicle tables at www.RamTank.ca?

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Grant, no problem.

Its for selfish reasons, as my hope is to find and restore a Ferret when I retire as they look like a hell of alot of fun. I won't say when that may be, but hopefully there are both Ferrets and Gasoline available then

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Clive, yes of course. Please do.

Excellent Book on Motorcycles BTW. Many thanks.

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Interesting that we used the British registration number as the serial number rather than the actual hull serial numbers.

I note there are a few gaps in the CFRs. 4 are missing from the 57X range.
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Interesting that we used the British registration number as the serial number rather than the actual hull serial numbers.

I note there are a few gaps in the CFRs. 4 are missing from the 57X range.
I went back and checked to see if there were any other Serial Numbers, but those are all that are listed. I'd imagine they would have only been painted on the vehicle..? I wonder if there is a UK source that would have the Serial Number to Registration Number cross reference?

I missed those other CFR's. According to EDR, there were 118, but i'd imagine if any were BER'd prior to the 70's, they wouldn't have been listed.

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Very interesting!

I have to see where I put the photos of my "Fieldmouse" Mk -1 and check the Reg number....My Ferret is stored 600 miles away so I can't just go out and look.....

It does have a large circle with three sections painted on it that says "Combined Arms School" or "Combat Arms School" (can't remember which).

The British Reg numbers such as 35BA57 would have been stamped on a large data plate on the right side of the hull just below the top of the side armor..on the inside.

It appears that the Canadians removed these plates as all the CDN Mk-1's I have seen just have a small plate of steel with numbers/letters stamped in.

Where was the serial number stamped on the CDN Ferret?

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On second thought.....

Why would CDN Ferrets have British Reg. numbers?

Were they bought directly or did they come from the British MOD?

Seems that if they were bought by Canada on a direct contract from the Mfg. they would not have had British Reg numbers.....

If they were gotten through the MOD then perhaps Bovington would have the histories on them as it did on my Saladin.....


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They did have British registration numbers apparently. On the website "Ferret Heaven" it listed all the contracts for ferret production showing both hull and registration numbers. It seems the earliest production ferrets were primarily export sales to Australia and Canada.

Somewhere I have seen a photo of a Cdn ferret with the Brit registration number on it, but I can't locate it right now. Or they may have shown a photo of a brit ferret in the article. If I can find it, the registration listings given by Scotty would confirm if it's Cdn.

I am not so sure ours had those large aluminum plates in them. I do not see any marks from where the studs would have been welded into the hull to mount it. I believe we only had the small plates with the serial numbers on them, in roughly the same location as the big plates should have been.

Hard to say why the gaps are in the CFRs listed. I passed a full listing of all the 123 Cdn ferrets and their final dispositions to Colin Stevens in BC. He has them listed on his website.
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What does the heading "HUIC" refer to on your first list?

As the current owner of two Canadian Ferrets I am very interested to figure out their real CFR etc etc.

One of the two may be for sale and you should contact me via a PM or via email (best option).

I am about to start rubbing the markings down and revealing what I find.

One of mine appears to be an exception that proves the rule.

Because the UK military registration is traceable, when I eventually get around to doing that we may become enlightened a bit more.

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In doing a bit of research on the Brit/CDN numbers it appears to be that the these "Canadian" Ferrets were delivered to the British Army on WD Contract 4/FV/4267 in 1951. They were given British Army registration numbers when delivered.

Then about 1954 they were transferred to the Canadian Army and given CDN numbers starting with 54-xxxxx.

I have always thought my ex-CDN Fieldmouse Mk-1 was a 1954 model year Ferret.

This is because I was told that CDN reg. numbers start with the year of the vehicle.

It now appears that it is instead, a 1951 built vehicle.

It also appears that the first numbers in a CDN Reg. number is the year the vehicle was accepted by the CDN Army and not always the year the vehicle was built.

It looks like the CDN Army received these vehicles second hand (used) from the WD.

Can anyone confirm this?

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According to Colin Stevens, in his book "The Ferret Scout Car in Canadian Service" (Service Publications) Canada, Australia and the UK shared an order for 593 MkI Ferrets in 1951, under contract number 6/FV/4267. But don't confuse a War Office contract with Britsh Army useage.
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Old 30-10-10, 18:49
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Jim, I think I know you from the old Ferret Heaven, anyway here goes.

British made military vehicles usually had either an "MS" military sales designation registration or a conventional British Army style, so either lets say 01 MS 88 or 21 BA 35. Somewhere in the anals of officialdom there is a cross reference between all of these.

Anyhow, I have no clue why you refer to your vehicle as a "Fieldmouse", im presuming you have some rare prototype that I didnt know about obviously.

As fas as the "used" vehicle status you mention, I find that an interesting idea. The reason I say that is this, Colin mentions in his book that Canadian vehicles had square side hatches, yet one of mine, C/S 31, has sloped hatches but is such an obvious Canadian vehicle for many other reasons.

I suspect that somewhere along the timeline of production of Ferrets the side hatch changed from square to sloped and I think that the Canadian order was filled with vehicles of both types and at the time it was not a big deal to those at the factory so no special mention was made of it.

See what I mean?

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Anyhow, I have no clue why you refer to your vehicle as a "Fieldmouse", im presuming you have some rare prototype that I didnt know about obviously.
This was the name given to the Mk1 originally, it was used by the War Office in official documents at the time.
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Thanks Richard for that.


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Robin,

We know each other from the old Mil-Veh list and we have met before at Oshawa rally (remember your drive up Parliament Hill? :-) ...)......

The Ferret was originally designated "Fieldmouse Mk. 1"

I have an original WD manual (bought from Peter S. at the OMVS show many, many years ago) which has this right on the front page. Inside is "Change 1" to this manual which states " Change Fieldmouse Mk. 1 to Ferret Mk.1"

I'll dig this manual out of the boxes of manuals here and post the cover and change.

Only very early "Ferrets" were actually "Fieldmouses".

...and most CDN "Ferrets" are early....

As to the side hatches. The early Ferrets had square hatches...later this was changed to the angled or sloped type. It is a spotting feature for early vehicles.

Clive wrote:
".....Canada, Australia and the UK shared an order for 593 MkI Ferrets in 1951, under contract number 6/FV/4267....."

I don't believe the contract was actually divided up between the countries. If the CDN Ferrets were part of this contract they would have been delivered in 1951 or at the latest 1952. If so..then the CDN Reg. numbers would have been 51-xxxxx or 52-xxxxx and not 54-xxxxx.

As Robin has said.....the xxBAxx numbers on the CDN Ferrets would indicate that they were delivered to the British Army.

As soon as I can get the CDN number from my vehicle I will contact Bovington to see if they have the BA/WD record for it and maybe it will list if it was sent right to Canada or if it was in British service first.

As to Robin's vehicle with the sloped hatches....what is the BA number for this vehicle? It may have been a BA Ferret used by the BA for training in Canada and later transferred to CDN ownership.

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I have just gotten some info on a friend of mine's CDN Ferret Mk-1 and the data does not jive with what has been posted.


He gave me the following:

Date plate information: 412.B.6.4 (412th Ferret made, June 1954)

Hull number: 54-82606

War Department Number: 36BA86 (from Bovington Tank Museum records)

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Now this is different from what was posted.....

From Canadian Army records:

Year Number HUIC Holding Unit ERN ERN Description

1954 82606* 0109* CFB CALGARY 30541* CAR ARM FERRET FV701MK1

1954 82606* 36BA80 LDSH

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From British contract records

36BA86 Hull No 412

36BA80 Hull No 406

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Note that the Canadian records show the vehicle as 36BA80 with the Canadian number as 54-82606.

There is no 36BA86 listed as a CDN Ferret.


Can anyone sort out the differences here?

Also, is the data plate number ..... 412.B.6.4 ......show the date of manufacture or date of delivery ?

What does the B mean?

According to contract data it was built in 1951.

Interesting.......

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The Canadian Ferret list looks very much like the Australian list.
The Ferrets delivered to Australia (mine and others on this side of the paddock) had British ARN/numbers under the Australian numbers.

The contracts must have been mixed as there is an Australian Mk I as 36BA87 and the British numbers are not in any run of numbers.
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I think, one day, we will all agree that there was a yard full of vehicles fully built and someone went down the rows counting off vehicles for Oz and Canada until they had the order filled.

There was no need to follow serial number order, it was superfluous. Just ship 'em out mate, next!

Jim, yes I have a memory, and would like to keep it a memory not a legend.

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Oh and the other thing about the Canadian Ferret List, is I have never seen the original, will anyone scan it and upload it please? So many people quote it but wont show it around.

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Just to add fuel to the fire, I was today reliaby informed by an "informant" that there is documentation floating around that substantiates a rumour that Canada never actually paid for their Ferrets nor their Centurions.

I understand that they were part of war reparations.

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I believe the monies owed by the UK to Canada for WWII expenses had been 'written off' by the time those AFVs were obtained. What would be handy is if someone could actually produce a document of sale or the paper trail leading to the purchase of the Cent and Ferret.
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Well, for this forum it seems that the fuel has worked to stoke the fire!

Mr Storey, yes, I agree, I will be getting my sweaty palms on a copy of that document as soon as I can and making it public.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6215847.stm

There is a document in the LdSH(RC) archives showing UK vehicles transferred from British to Canadian stocks and lists Tanks (Centurion), Scout Cars (Ferret) and Motorcycles (Triumph TRW).

This may mean that the vehicles were not produced specifically for Canada (or Australia) but just run through regular UK production and then allotted to fill these needs. This would explain the hatch variation in Robin's Ferret (as it is appears a genuine Canadian). Vehicles were just batched together and sent.

This is the best kind of aid as it kept UK industry working not just handing out cash.
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If you look, the money being paid back is for a 1946 loan and not monies owed from 1939-1945. I am pretty sure that monies owed by the UK to Canada resulting from WWII were cleared in either the late 1940s or early 1950s.

I can see the Cents, Ferrets and MCs being transferred over from UK stocks to Canada, but there still has to be a paper trail outlining the agreement. It is the paper trail that will answer any questions.
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If you look, the money being paid back is for a 1946 loan and not monies owed from 1939-1945. I am pretty sure that monies owed by the UK to Canada resulting from WWII were cleared in either the late 1940s or early 1950s.

I can see the Cents, Ferrets and MCs being transferred over from UK stocks to Canada, but there still has to be a paper trail outlining the agreement. It is the paper trail that will answer any questions.
I don't believe there was ever an expectation that the UK would pay us back - they did, after all, defend our few acres of snow free of charge long after confederation (remained in B.C., at least, as late as 1905). Besides, war production set us up to be as prosperous as we were, post-war, so we really didn't need the money.

I also know that we paid for the aircraft carrier HMCS BONAVENTURE with good Quebec cheese (still shortages in the UK long after the war ended), so maybe a similar deal was reached for the MVs?

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