C30 engine cover

fc101daz · #1 26-08-06, 09:15

Hi All
I wonder if you can help me with some info.I have a C30 that I hope to start restoring soon, but it is missing the engine cover.I have found a Ford one for sale and would like to know if the Ford and Chevy ones are the same or even similar? Would it be near enough for now until I can find a Chevy one or will it not fit at all?
Your help would be much appreciated
Daren

Max Hedges · #2 26-08-06, 11:58

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Originally posted by fc101daz
Hi All
I wonder if you can help me with some info.I have a C30 that I hope to start restoring soon, but it is missing the engine cover.I have found a Ford one for sale and would like to know if the Ford and Chevy ones are the same or even similar? Would it be near enough for now until I can find a Chevy one or will it not fit at all?
Your help would be much appreciated
Daren

Daren what model is your c30 ?? is it a 11 cab 12 cab or a 13 cab as there is a difference between 13 cabs and 11..12 cabs and whereabouts do you come from ? and also welcome you to the forum as we have a lot of fun.

Max

fc101daz · #3 26-08-06, 12:23

Hi Max
Yeh,sorry forgot to mention that.It is a No13 cab and was originaly a Wireless body,rumour has it kitted as a dentist truck.There is no back body at all now so I think I will built a GS body.I will try to post some pics over the weekend.I live in Jersey in the Channel Islands UK.
Daren

Phil Waterman · #4 27-08-06, 01:33

Hi Max

Glad to hear another CMP is being restored. If you can not find an engine cover then my question will apply. I'll be glad to do up a set of drawings for the Chevy Cab 13 engine box or dog house. Really not all that complicated they were designed to be made with out fancy tool and dies.

Cheers Phil

fc101daz · #5 27-08-06, 10:43

Hi Phil,
That would be great Phil.Also photos would be much appreciated.I have visited your site and gained a lot of useful information already!!! I am a classic and vintage car restorer by trade as well as hobby and specialise in the bodywork and fabrication side so making an engine from scratch would not be a problem if I know what it looks like.I know a gentleman in the Island with an F15 which I could look at also.I cant work out how to attach a photo at the moment.Will persevere!!!!
Daren

Vic Eaton · #6 27-08-06, 10:47

HELLO MY FRIEND
The ford and chev engine covers are completly differant
i have both here laying around not sure where you are though .in the world .

Max Hedges · #7 27-08-06, 14:32

Daren, have you found Keith Webb's old cmp site on the web.
Keith has a lot of photos on there of these lovely old trucks, My wife Kathy says once you have one of these blitz's ( cmp) its an incurable disease, which only gets worse as the years go by, but I thhink I have learnt to control it (better not ask Kathy).

Max

Phil Waterman · #8 27-08-06, 17:34

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Originally posted by Max Hedges
Daren, have you found Keith Webb's old cmp site on the web.
Keith has a lot of photos on there of these lovely old trucks, My wife Kathy says once you have one of these blitz's ( cmp) its an incurable disease, which only gets worse as the years go by, but I thhink I have learnt to control it (better not ask Kathy).

Max

Max your wife is so right, not only is CMP ownership addictive you can't just have one.

Also noticed that I call Daren Max in my earlier post. So Daren will gladly take a bunch of photos of the the dog house and start on a set of drawings. As to collecting other antique cars I've got three non CMPs but spend most of my time and have more fun working on the CMPs.

Cheers

Keith Webb · #9 27-08-06, 21:08

Here's a pic of one, or at least a partial cover:

This is from a page of pictures sent to me by Jeff Gordon. The little handle on the top shouldn't be there.

Pete Ashby · #10 27-08-06, 22:35

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Originally posted by fc101daz
Hi All
I wonder if you can help me with some info.I have a C30 that I hope to start restoring soon, but it is missing the engine cover.I have found a Ford one for sale and would like to know if the Ford and Chevy ones are the same or even similar? Would it be near enough for now until I can find a Chevy one or will it not fit at all?
Your help would be much appreciated
Daren

Daren

the bloke you need to talk to in the UK is Keith Orpin he has a superb 13 cab LAA 30cwt lovely restoration as you would expect from this man, he's a member of the OCMP but he's been in France for a couple of weeks on his Hols,

ARE YOU OUT THERE AGENT 'O'

Pete

fc101daz · #11 28-08-06, 10:09

Hi All
Thanks for all your help and info so far.Where abouts are you Victor? I live in Jersey which is the biggest of a group of islands off the south coast of England.A lot closer to France (15miles at closest point) although we answer to the British crown!!! Any photos would be appreciated.
Phil and Max your comments about CMP ownership are worrying!!!! My long suffering girlfriend is of the impression the my Chevy is the end of my collection not the beginning.I have a 101FC Land Rover and an Ex Army 110 Land Rover as well as various motorbikes and classic cars!!!! Need armour next!! I have checking out Keiths site and as with Phils has loads of info.
Thanks for those photos Keith.What are those info plates visible on the cover and is it possible for me to find these if they are appropriate to my truck?
Maybe it would be possible to talk to Keith Orpin in the future.Where abouts in the UK does he live?
Still can't do pics!!!!
Thanks again for your time
Daren

Keith Webb · #12 28-08-06, 10:26

The top one is a standard brass Canadian plate with gearshift and other info including the contract number 2196.

The lower one is the actual data plate for the vehicle with engine and chassis number, as well as the type of body, as denoted by "WO 18" (War Office type 18). WO 18 was a 8444 (C60S) Battery Staff Personnel Loading K2 The "M" suffix denotes a Melbourne assembled vehicle. Usually this plate was affixed to the top of the dash.

sth65pac · #13 28-08-06, 13:58

Hi all.

FC101DaZ says:
it is missing the engine cover.

I think what we need is some measurements to an engine cover and............ if possible an isometric projection.. for a Chev... that would make making a reproduction one very easy.. then a fold out of tin would be easier

Thanks in advance... once the measurements are here we can all use em!

IW

fc101daz · #14 28-08-06, 19:56

Ian I think you're right and I think Phil is the man in the chair!!! Why is the cover known as the dog house? A phrase I am used to as I'm normally in it!!!!!!!
Another attempt at photos!!!!!!!!!!!!

Daren

fc101daz · #15 28-08-06, 20:00

And data plates

Vic Eaton · #16 28-08-06, 21:57

HELLO DAREN
Im in the uk about three miles from stansted airport in a little ole town called BISHOPS STORTFORD . HERTFORDSHIRE.
REGARDS VIC EATON.

Jordan Baker · #17 29-08-06, 05:17

When looking at these great pictures I couldn't help but notice the push button that had been mounted on top of the dash panle. It looks to be the same kind as Pete Ashby was selling a few months ago.

http://www.mapleleafup.org/forums/sh...highlight=horn

Keith Orpin · #18 30-08-06, 15:37

Hi Daren,
Nice to see another C30 being restored, if you check though the archives on this site, you should find some pictures of mine, during restoration.
As Pete so rightly suggested, I have only just come back from hols in France (no sign of any CMP's down by La Rochelle). I live approx 10 miles south of Oxford, oddly enough in the same village as where the rest of the OCMP vehicles are kept. I'll take some pictures of my engine cover and post them shortly. I would be only too pleased to speak to you personally about this project
All the best,
Keith

Pete Ashby · #19 30-08-06, 19:46

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Originally posted by Jordan Baker
When looking at these great pictures I couldn't help but notice the push button that had been mounted on top of the dash panle. It looks to be the same kind as Pete Ashby was selling a few months ago.

http://www.mapleleafup.org/forums/sh...highlight=horn

Well spotted that man, I noticed it too, mine are in much better nick chaps

still a few left

Pete

martineaton · #20 30-08-06, 21:07

Hi Daren,

Me and my dad Victor Eaton have two C30 13 Cab wireless trucks one complete with its original Body, they are WIRE 2 & WIRE 3.
I have attached a picture.

martineaton · #21 30-08-06, 21:19

WIRE 3

Phil Waterman · #22 06-09-06, 01:03

Ok, had a moment to pull both engine covers Dog Houses off to compare and start drawings on the CAD. First despite how the pictures below may appear the two covers are the same dimensions. The OD one is off my `45 HUP and I'm sure that it is original to the vehicle, the Tan is off my `42 C60S given the mix and match nature of military service this may not be original to the truck. The covers are made up of a lot of small pieces of steel welded together. I’m working on a set of cad drawings that will have photos as well to show how the parts are put together.

Vic Eaton · #23 06-09-06, 10:21

HELLO PHIL
That bracket top the engine cover is that an original one the type i see over here are longer and some seem to be post war . did you ever run your GENERATOR M5 mine runs lovely except you have to keep the fuel tank toped up i think i have come to far down from the bottom of the tank with the pipe as it sloaps up to the carb and it does not seem to like it. WHILE you have your drawing hat on i could do with knowing how to connect the wires from the dynamo to the regulater if ever you find the time that would be very helpful .
regards vic uk.

Lynn Eades · #24 06-09-06, 11:53

Darren and Vic,( and any body else) How about putting your location in your profile? It helps us who don't have a clue.

Vic Eaton · #25 06-09-06, 15:01

HELLO LYNN
Sorry i thought it was on there ill get that sorted im always complaining to myself about others as well .its nice to see where we all are in the world.
regards vic uk.

Phil Waterman · #26 06-09-06, 19:07

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Originally posted by victor eaton
HELLO PHIL
That bracket top the engine cover is that an original one the type i see over here are longer and some seem to be post war . did you ever run your GENERATOR M5 mine runs lovely except you have to keep the fuel tank toped up i think i have come to far down from the bottom of the tank with the pipe as it sloaps up to the carb and it does not seem to like it. WHILE you have your drawing hat on i could do with knowing how to connect the wires from the dynamo to the regulater if ever you find the time that would be very helpful .
regards vic uk.

Hi Vic

The fire extinguisher brackets are modern variety for 5-10 lbs dry chemical. Interesting that there are two locations for the original type both of my big trucks have a set of holes on the back of the cab right behind the transfer shift lever as well as the holes on top of the engine dog house. I tried mounting the original carbontet brass fire extinguisher to the holes on the back of the cab but I bashed by hand ever time I had to shift the transfer case in and out. Wonder if they meant to mount the fire extinguisher on the out side of the cab?

As to the M5 generator yes it runs like a charm have several hundred hours on it. Ran it at our summer rally for four days straight supplying power to my truck (air conditioner and hot water heater) the registration tent and to the radio display. People are amazed how quiet it is. As to the fuel tank only problem I’ve had is that when gage says empty it is empty even if you can see fuel in the tank. It just will not start with less than 2” of fuel but if the generator is sitting level it will run the tank bone dry.

Not sure which “how to connect the wires from the dynamo to the regulator if ever you find the time that would be very helpful .” you mean the DC or AC circuit I assume on the M5. I’ve got the manual back up on my web site http://canadianmilitarypattern.com/Generator.htm it includes the wiring diagram.

fc101daz · #27 06-09-06, 23:02

Hi All
Thanks yet again for all your advice.All the pics are great.I hope others will also benefit from all your work Phil then I won't feel so guilty about putting you through it all!!!!!
I have added my location I think Lynn!!
I really like your Wire bodies Martin.It makes me wonder if it is possible to built a replica of one of these.I had only considered a GS body as I assumed it would be easier to fabricate.When
you say one has the original body do you mean that you built the other or aquired it separately? What goes between the cab and body,a spare wheel mount? I have all this missing too!Also like those tyres!!!! Where did they come from?!!!
Daren

martineaton · #28 07-09-06, 21:39

Hi Daren,

I have one chev with the original body (as picture) and the other is having holmes wrecker gear mounted on the back.
Yes there is a spare wheel carrier bettween the cab and the body, the tyres are IMO1 10-50 X 16 they cost about £100 each new.
Would you like me to e-mail you some pictures of the body?

fc101daz · #29 07-09-06, 22:25

Yes please Martin that would be great.I'm pleasantly suprised how compact the body is on your truck.I was assuming something taller and bulkier,but really like yours.
Regards
Daren

martineaton · #30 07-09-06, 23:09

Hi Daren,

Ok I will take some pictures for you.