Panther video

[Jordan Baker]

Hi everyone.

I found this link off of another site and thought it would be interesting to post it here.

Its of a restored Panther tank being shown for the first time moving under its own power.

Just make sure you have a high speed internet connection or it may take awhile to load.

Enjoy.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...7422&q=panther

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Great sound of those diesels...Maybachs...
Thanks Jordan..

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

"Corporal?"

"SAH!"

"Get up here, Corporal, and bring your PIAT!"

"SAH!"

Good to hear that, Jordan, thanks. Is that the Panther which they were building at Overloon when I was there in 2000?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Geoff Winnington-Ball
Is that the Panther which they were building at Overloon when I was there in 2000?

No, that will never run again. It's guts were sold to Kevin Wheatcroft, who's restoring several Panthers.

I'm pretty sure this is the one of the Panzermuseum in Munster, Germany, which incidentally was fitted with a modern diesel...not a Maybach...

H.

[marco]

Hello all,

This Panther is from the "Wehrtechnische Studien Samlung" in Koblenz, Germany.

Some photo's can be found at

http://www.twenot.nl/panther.htm


Marco

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by marco
This Panther is from the "Wehrtechnische Studien Samlung" in Koblenz, Germany.

Correct, it was restored in Munster.

H.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

After more then a year of restoration, on Feb, 18, Kubinka's Pz V left the restoration area for it's first test drive: http://www.kubinka.ru/alymov/1.avi

And here's a clip of the world's only running King Tiger.

H.

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

Sumbitch, that King Tiger's a big bastard, isn't it?

[Snowtractor]

I would love to see it up close and a JagdTiger restored and running. 70 Tons of rumbling brute ,awesome. Check out the Kublinka's Russian heavy tanks, beasts I have never seen before.
Sean

[Tony]

Great video of the Panther. Now where did I leave my keys to the Firefly....

[Col Tigwell]

Can an old ex fly boy ask a question.

Sometimes I see them as Panzers and other times it is Panthers.

Is there any real differance.

Were all Panzers diesel powered, I must admit I have a soft spot for them.

Regards

Col

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Originally posted by herkman
Sometimes I see them as Panzers and other times it is Panthers.

Is there any real differance.

Were all Panzers diesel powered, I must admit I have a soft spot for them.

To one ex fly boy to another..

Panzer translates as "Tank" in German..
Panther is a type of Panzer or tank..as is Tiger,Sherman,Grant...etc
And no,all tanks were not diesel but many of them used Maybach diesels...

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

Originally posted by Alex Blair
To one ex fly boy to another..

Panzer translates as "Tank" in German..
Panther is a type of Panzer or tank..as is Tiger,Sherman,Grant...etc
And no,all tanks were not diesel but many of them used Maybach diesels...

Actually, Alex, the Maybachs in Panthers and Tigers were all petrol engines, strange as it may seem. Excellent armour, yes, superb guns, yes, but shitty powerplants and drivetrains. Reliability considerations cost the Germans more than any single Allied weapon.

[Roger Lucy]

German tanks did not use diesels, Maybach engines were petrol engines. The only significant German AFV with a diesel engine was the SdKfz 234 series of Armoured Cars which used a 200HP Tatra diesel. There were plans at the end of the war to convert the Jagdpanzer 38(t) Hetzer to diesel power but the order to do so came too late (March 1945) to come into effect.
Roger

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Originally posted by Geoff Winnington-Ball
Actually, Alex, the Maybachs in Panthers and Tigers were all petrol engines, strange as it may seem. Excellent armour, yes, superb guns, yes, but shitty powerplants and drivetrains. Reliability considerations cost the Germans more than any single Allied weapon.

GOTT im HIMMEL..!!(God in the sky...whatever that means..I think something like tabernac!!)
How could I have forgotten the push for the allied fuel dumps which were gasoline..
Assumption that the Maybach's were diesel ....
Thanks for the info JIf (And Roger)

[sapper740]

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
And here's a clip of the world's only running King Tiger.

Hanno, the hair on the back of my neck stood up while watching that clip! Imagine hunkering down in a trench with a bazooka waiting for that monster to come within range...Mein Gott!

Any existing clips of the E100 or Maus?



CHIMO!

[sapper740]

Originally posted by Alex Blair
Panzer translates as "Tank" in German..

Hey Alex, German nomenclature has always somewhat confused me...we equate "Panzer" as tank yet panzerkampfwagen translates as armoured fighting vehicle, no? So is the literal translation of "Panzer" tank or armour?
Secondly, all german vehicles, panzers included, had a SdKfz number also...Sonderkraftfahrzeug meaning Special purpose vehicle, right? So, do both wagen and fahrzeug mean vehicle? I can imagine it got rather wordy when the Heere discussed tanks, especially if they used all the "mits", "unds", and "aufs" in their despatches!
Maybe one of our German speaking members can clear this up for me.





ein prosit!

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Originally posted by sapper740
Hey Alex, German nomenclature has always somewhat confused me...we equate "Panzer" as tank yet panzerkampfwagen translates as armoured fighting vehicle, no? So is the literal translation of "Panzer" tank or armour?
Secondly, all german vehicles, panzers included, had a SdKfz number also...Sonderkraftfahrzeug meaning Special purpose vehicle, right? So, do both wagen and fahrzeug mean vehicle? I can imagine it got rather wordy when the Heere discussed tanks, especially if they used all the "mits", "unds", and "aufs" in their despatches!
Maybe one of our German speaking members can clear this up for me.

Derek..
I learned my German in High school and practiced it in Germany,much to the grief of the poor German citizens of Lahr...
I remember buying a "Bulk Eraser"..an electro magnet for cleaning up 7" reel to reel tapes..
I went to the local electronics store and after finding out the German name for a bulk eraser,in my best German said....
"Haben sie ein Elektromagnethauptteilradiergummi,bitte...?"
The lad amost fell off his stool in shock and in better English than I speak said...."Oh you want a "Bulk eraser..."
If the Germans need a new word they just add more on to an old word or some other evil plan to keep the language a secret..from me any way..
It took me a week to learn that word and a lot of beer and practice..
(This word is not the right word but I forgotten the actual word...Probably Hanno or Jon could come up with a better defination of Panzer than I,but I'm pretty sure it means tank..at least and could mean other things..such as armour .,but I
I think that is different..rustung(With an umlaut over the U..)

Originally posted by Snowtractor
and a JagdTiger restored and running. 70 Tons of rumbling brute ,awesome.

After a somewhat less than competent foray with the local, official and so called experts alongside a certain museum here, that left some three rather rare and now almost extinct Maybach V12's in piles of scrap on the test stand, a certain almost complete Jagdtiger, missing only one bogie set, "donated" its HL230 P30, in fact the wrong engine, to get the crowd-pleasing (so money pulling) Tiger 1 running (again).

In fact the subject Tiger 1 ran so poorly that this engine is now discretely and more safely placed for analysis and re-work with the actual private experts, which I cannot name, but their work on a certain privately owned and sweet-as-a-nut Jagdpanther gives testament to their knowledge and specialist mechanical acumen.

No huge trick here, just a genuine interest rather than "another job", plus some painstaking research in the archives and those surviving engineers who worked on them for real. These types of activities often seem to be alien to officialdom for some reason.

It is, IMHO, historical and mechanical vandalism to cannibalise a near running Jagdtiger in a panic move to appease the accountants both of a museum and our national lottery hand-out people.

But that's just me.

R.

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

Originally posted by FV623
It is, IMHO, historical and mechanical vandalism to cannibalise a near running Jagdtiger in a panic move to appease the accountants both of a museum and our national lottery hand-out people.

But that's just me.

No one here shall criticize you for same, Richard.

[sapper740]

Originally posted by Alex Blair
If the Germans need a new word they just add more on to an old word or some other evil plan to keep the language a secret..from me any way..

Very true Alex! I remember reading an account of the Dogger Bank action where Admiral Hipper unfortunately lead his cruisers within range of the guns of the Grand Fleet and ordered a "Come around about together" In German it was one word about 54 letters and 17 syllables long (slight exaggeration). Without that order it would have been Gotterdammerung!


Ein bier bitte!

[marco]

Hello all,

As I live "dangerously" close (8 miles) to the German border I'll try to explain some German words.

"Panzerkampfwagen" means tracked armoured fighting vehicle.
For many, this word was too long, so the the abbreviation became "Panzer", meaning tank.

Armoured cars were called "Panzerspähwagen".

"Sonderkraftfahrzeug" means special purpose vehicle. This word was initially used to fool the rest of the world while Germany was developing armoured vehicles in a period they were not allowed to do this by the treaty of Versailles.

A "wagen" is something with wheels, either with or without engine.
A "fahrzeug" would be a "wagen" with an engine.

"Rüstung" could be best translated with "equipment" and in this context it is obvious that we are talking about "military equipment"

One of the most funny attempts from the German to describe something very simple is the tongbreaking word "Glasfasertransportsarg"
It means "coffin"...

Best regards,

Marco

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Marco..
Thanks for the German lessons..
When I first decided to learn the subject in school .I had a look at it and other than the script,which reminded me of old English the language had quite a few words that were recognizable as close to English...that suckered me and I barely scraped through with a passing grade but did well at partying,beer drinking,skirt chasing and all the other important things a teenaged hoodlum enjoyed..
I spent my honeymoon in Holland,and I don't even pretend to understand Dutch..and am very gratefull that where ever I have gone,I have found English speakers..and that were more than anxious to practice their English on me..
Taking the coward's way out ,I soon dropped my feeble attempts at THEIR language..
I speak(Or did at one time) a little Italian(Lived a year in Italy) A little German..A little FRench....Am fluent in English ,Profane,and Newfanese,b'y....
I really admire those that are multilingual..

[Col Tigwell]

Thanks Guys, one thing I have learnt, that in old age there is so much to learn, and so little time to do so.

When researching the E boats, I had a guy tell me that Mayback had a falling out with the third Reich, that may explain why their engines were not considered the best.

Today of course the same breed of engines are considered by some, to be the very best.


Regards

Col Tigwell

[sapper740]

Originally posted by marco
A "wagen" is something with wheels, either with or without engine.
A "fahrzeug" would be a "wagen" with an engine.

Thanks for the explanation Marco, especially the differences between wagen and fahrzeug. For someone (me) who's german is limited to singing "Ein Prosit!", and that after a few litres of beer, your post was very helpful. I'm hoping to visit relatives I have near Munich in the next couple of years, during Oktoberfest, of course, so I'd better brush up on my German.


Hervorragend Marco!

[Snowtractor]

Did they not refer to WWI cruisers as "PANZERS" also ?

[Jordan Baker]

Found some clips of the Bovington Tiger.

http://www.akula971.com/Tiger.htm

The first clip is of the startup. Has a rather funny moment at approx 1:58.

The second clip made me fell like some poor Brit 2pdr gunner in Tunisia going "Bloody Hell"

Anyway enjoy.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by sapper740
Any existing clips of the E100 or Maus?

I don't think either were really mobile under their own power. Maus did move about a bit at a snail's pace, but probably not more than a couple of hundred meters before bogging or breaking down...

H.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by FV623
It is, IMHO, historical and mechanical vandalism to cannibalise a near running Jagdtiger in a panic move to appease the accountants both of a museum and our national lottery hand-out people.

It's my humble opinion as well.

H.

[Jordan Baker]

Came across this video of a Sherman Grizzley moving around at the Patton Museum. Too bad it has US markings on it.

Nice to see one moving around at speed.

http://www.armorfortheages.com/Tank%202%20high.wmv