registering MV's

[elvis3006]

hi Guys,not trying to start rumours just get confirmation. i have heard that people trying to register ex CDN MV's like the Iltis and MLVW's are not able to,is this true and only centred on ex CDN modern Army vehicles and not WW2 pattern? thanks for any clarification. Rob

[Grant Bowker]

I guarantee that there are people in Ontario who have managed to register their Iltis (unless they are all fraudulently using the plates off something else, not likely). I did successfully register a M135CDN (about 20 years ago) but there are rumours that the MLVW is more difficult. I don't know if this is somehow because you can't get a safety check done on it or due to difficulty with paperwork (for example the government branding the truck as "for parts only" or similar). I suggest talking with the mechanics or service manager at an independant truck shop to verify that they can be safetied.

As I understand it, and I am not an expert, the requirements for getting plates on a WW2 era vehicle in Ontario are: prove ownership, pay sales tax on the vehicle's value (it may be cheaper to register it as unfit immediately after buying it so the assesed value is lower) get a safety check done bearing in mind that it should only need to meet the equipment standards for the date of manufacture (in other words seat belts and signals should not be needed, but if installed must work correctly), get insurance, get plates. You may end up having to read the relevant legislation so that you are better informed than the licencing clerk and can politely explain that the regulations actually support what you want to do. Keep in mind that even many senior clerks have never had to register a vehicle older than themselves and may not be familiar with the process. My comment about independant garages for the safety is still good for older vehicles, you may actually be able to talk with the mechanic, who may not be one of 15 apprentices supervised by one overworked licenced mecanic, who might actually have been trained on non-computer cars and perhaps most important might be interested in your vehicle.

[elvis3006]

thank you Grant

[Jordan Baker]

This link may help you out somewhat from what I went through to get my Willys MB on the road. If you have any further questions let me know and I will try to remember.

http://www.mapleleafup.org/forums/sh...light=register

[Gordon Yeo]

If the Iltis was sold as branded salvage only bill of sale, as some have been, it cannot be registered. If it was sold by a sales agent given the marketing rights by DND and issued a bill of sale including the registration number it can be registered with the original bill of sale.

MLVW trucks are sold as salvage only and are not department of transport safety standard compliant. They thas been much moaning and whinning that this, "is not fair". But, a single cell master cylinder brake system doesn't pass modern department ot transport safety regulations. Government can do it, we cannot.

[maple_leaf_eh]

Without stirring the poo too much , how do all the hotrod builders get their creations plated?

[chris vickery]

Homebuilt hotrods are registered as custom builds and are required to meet current MTO specifications.

[elvis3006]

the latest i heard is this was all about modern ex DND vehicles, in particular the MLVW. older MV's such as M37 and M135 are not under target,and neither are older thank Gawd. DND or some paper pusher is worried about someone coming back after an accident in said vehicle [MLVW] and sueing DND. despite being released for sale to private ownership and passing a safety inspection.

[Robin Craig]

In brief part of what is said above is correct, ie the "branding issue".

The conforming to current MTO standards is not.

We have had road registered and safetied for the "yellow" sticker both Bedfords with air over hydraulic and M818 and M35s. The "fitted at time of manufacture" is what is of concern to the mechanic who tests the vehicle.

I'm not going to spend all night citing chapter and verse but in my humble opinion if I was confronted with the MLVW problem I would go the route of having it inspected and faults rectified and the vehicle "rebuilt" and apply to have it licenced that route, as any chop shop does on any "branded" vehicle.

I would favour that route rather that head butting the esablishment any day.

It bears further investigation but that is the key.

I would have to look into it further but frankly I have enough headaches to satisfy myself to last a lifetime without sorting someone elses problem.

All I will say is that I have satisfied all the legal requirements to licence LEGALLY many vehicles and know the difference between what you need for the test performed by a mechanic vs what you need for the road. Let me assure you that there is a huge difference between the two.

Knowledge is power and trumps all.

I have had mechanics tell me that I need various items and know that if I am right I wont budge and show them the ssections that apply, if they are correct I rectiy the issue. I have never had a blind safety as some do and hold a class AZ drivers licence and drive under the conditions of a CVOR for many of our larger vehicles in the collection.

I think Eric Booth will agree to much of what I have posted.

Best regards and good luck

Robin Craig

[Robin Craig]

I see that in 24 hours since posting no one has cared to pass any comment?

R