Getting Restoration Bren carrier MK2

[Israel Berko]

Hi
I am part of the team that works on this Bren Carrier MK2, we are looking for wiring diagram and parts assembly.
Do any of you know about a supplier or a person who sells or would like to donate a copy of a book with all info to our museum?

I have seen a copy of a thick book of the universal bren carrier MK2 (but not for sale :-( .

Regards
Israel

[Michael R.]

Originally Posted by Israel Berko

Hi
I am part of the team that works on this Bren Carrier MK2, we are looking for wiring diagram and parts assembly.
Do any of you know about a supplier or a person who sells or would like to donate a copy of a book with all info to our museum?

I have seen a copy of a thick book of the universal bren carrier MK2 (but not for sale :-( .

Regards
Israel

I believe your universal carrier is actually a Canadian manufactured MK-I*, converted to MK-II standard in the U.K. using the U.K. supplied conversion package. As such, there are minor differences in the wiring. For example, the MK-I* had different lighting systems, different starter, battery location and cable hook-up changed, no fuel tanks gauge or sending units with capacitors.

Please consider posting a picture of your dash panel. I suspect it is a MK-I* with push button engine starter, Canadian instrument switch MK-I*, upgraded electronic oil pressure sending unit, no fuel gauge.


See here for the Canadian and British wiring diagrams of the MK-II* and MK-II carriers :
http://mapleleafup.net/forums/showpo...53&postcount=5

http://mapleleafup.net/forums/showpo...68&postcount=1

[Michael R.]

A MK-I, likely a Canadian produced MK-I* for a British contract, converted using MK-II upgrade parts. Note the mantlet is British, the rear compartment firing rests do not converge. The spare bogie wheel mounting assembly is from the upgrade to Welsh Guard Stowage standard.

The hull displays MK-I* features:
1) front compartment oval shape drain opening
2) MK-I wiring conduit through divisional wall to engine
3) MK-I lower engine rails
4) MK-I upper rear protection plate wireless battery box cable access holes (x2)
5) lower hull rear plate engine openings, two rectangular holes either side of the differential

[Israel Berko]

Hi Michael
attached some pictures of our Bren

[Israel Berko]

[Israel Berko]

[Michael R.]

Looks good!
Once you find the lower hull number, upper hull number, engine serial number, along with the WD number, day, month and year of manufacture and serial number on the driver front protection plate .... then compare it with the WD T 202432 number showing on the British NO.2 MK-2 bronze fender plate .... it may show that the Canadian made MK-I* was converted to NO.2 MK. 2 and a specific British fender mounted data plate was attached.

Otherwise the data plate and likely the fender is off a different vehicle.

You can see the original Ford factory two drive rivets that held the Canadian data plate remain in the protection plate on the divisional wall behind the drivers head, just below the 'FORD' plate.

[Israel Berko]

hello
We need some parts anyone can help?
- OIL SEAL for the Driving Axle
- BEARINGS for the Driving Axle

best regards
Israel

[Michael R.]

Can you buy the tapered wheel bearings all day on eBay, or from assorted USA based auto supply shops?

A quick surf on eBay shows the bearings at various prices. You displayed Timken 3984: that is BB 4221 B, the inner cone and roller bearing. The same bearing is also supplied as Bower 3984. Note this is not the same bearing as the hub outer cone and roller assembly, BB 1240 A, and BB 1239 A (race) .

The grease seal is BB 1175 C.
This seal is now available at Macs Antique Auto for USD $4.99. Their part number 47-31970-1. It was much higher priced a short time ago.
See:
http://www.macsautoparts.com/early_v...wheelbase.html

[rob love]

I ordered some of those Mac $4.99 wheel seals, and am happy to say they are proper. I have had other companies try ans supply seals that did not have the protrusion to sling the oil into the oil cone...the Mac's seals are proper.

The hoarder in me ordered 10.

[Michael R.]

See FUC-03, SE-83-44, REISSUED MAY 1944, page 109-110, Illustrated Parts Catalogue:

[Michael R.]

On some housings, the bolt head of the locking bolt has deteriorated making it difficult to locate and remove. In FUC-03 the locking bolt is reported as not replaced after the 1940 design.

[Israel Berko]

hi Michael
thanks for info i will check it on friday if we have this modification

BR
Israel

[Lynn Eades]

For those who have a shaft or housing that is too rough to take a std. bearing arrangement, I have turned up a Nyloil (an industrial plastic) bush to fit and fill the housing. I have drilled and grooved it so that grease can enter it in the original way. So far it appears to work fine.

[Israel Berko]

We worked on the Housing - bearing - contro1 - change speed CTL 16568 T
and we found out it is in a very bad condition
Anyone know how we can find/order it, who sale it? (Complete with the special bearing and Cap)

[Israel Berko]

We also checked the Shaft - steering control CTL 12000 and Lever - actuating contro1 CTL 2865.
The last thing was to rebuild the C01UC 105074 LEAF AND ANCHOR ASSEMBLY - ACCELERATOR SPRING, and Leaf - spring - intermediate and Leaf - spring - short CTL 7102 and CTL 7104 it was made from old wood saw (offered by Paul Dutton) Paul Thanks

[Israel Berko]

we did a few steps on our BC

we worked on the Steering / Brake Control system

[Israel Berko]

made from old wood saw

[Israel Berko]

Yesterday the Track Brake was installed and in addition some pictures of
some updates pictures.

[Israel Berko]

[RichardT10829]

looking good guys ! make sure the plungers in the brake expander are in the correct way, I believe from memory they are "handed"

[Israel Berko]

Originally Posted by RichardT10829

looking good guys ! make sure the plungers in the brake expander are in the correct way, I believe from memory they are "handed"

thanks Richard,
what you mean?

[Michael R.]

Originally Posted by Israel Berko

thanks Richard,
what you mean?

To clarify: Adjuster unit and Expander assembly.

The brake ADJUSTER plungers are left and right hand, i.e.: "handed".

See part numbers for the handed adjuster unit plungers:
C01UC-105217 R.H. (right hand)
C01UC-105218 L.H. (left hand)

http://mapleleafup.net/forums/showpo...6&postcount=14

Another thing to consider is the fact the EXPANDER housing is not fixed, but 'floats".
The brake expander housing is supplied with slotted or castellated brass nuts, and Thackery washers to create the necessary tension.
The floating expander housing assists with the brake adjustment

[Israel Berko]

I have a question regarding the difference between the bogies
Rear and front bogies are the same the track adjuster is different catalog number
What is the differences?

[Petr Brezina]

The height of the rubber is different. I had noticed that your carrier has the front (adjustment) wheels used on the boggies. Should be working though.

[Michael R.]

Originally Posted by Israel Berko

I have a question regarding the difference between the bogies
Rear and front bogies are the same the track adjuster is different catalog number
What is the differences?

The track adjuster wheel rubber profile can be observed visually, you will see it appears "lower" than the standard bogie wheel. The "higher" rubber profile on the standard 94x3 Canadian bogie wheel is obvious on a side by side comparison. Look also for the markings such as CTL 94 x 3 and CTL 17 x 3.

Wheels and tires should be should be considered as two components. This is because production changes were not concurrent. Ideally you are looking for the latest production, marked C.T.L. 94 x 3 on both components, i.e wheel and rim.

Why? Two reasons:

1) Early "wheel spoke diameter was increased to overcome spoke breakage which occurred with the first type wheel under severe operating conditions."

2)"The rubber in the tires was also modified to overcome blow-out . . ."

Instructions were issued directing that: "first type bogie wheels were not to be perpetuated by re-tiring."

Note: "RE-tiring of the original design bogie wheels with 19" tires for use as track adjusting wheels (CTL 17 x 3) is considered satisfactory practise."

You are likely aware the track adjuster wheel mounts on a spindle using different inside and outside inner diameter bearings. This is unlike the bogie wheels that use two bearings with the identical inner diameter. Those differences also require the application of different related components. See your parts manual illustrations and note the different applications for the following part numbers: TL 18, TL 19, CTL 20B, CTL 21, CTL 22, TL 23, TL24, CTL 25, TL 95, CTL 334, C01UC 100300, C01UC 100301, CTL 1798.

[Israel Berko]

Thanks Michael for your complete answer, I have to renew the rubber (Rubber coating) on all wheels, I noticed from picture slight difference on the wheel, now I see one inch difference on rubber , I found someone can do the Rubber coating.
Thanks

[Michael R.]

You are welcome.

You may find the tire portion on the 19 inch track adjuster wheel is set deeper inside the wheel as compared to the CTL 94x3 20 inch bogie wheel. There is some documentation to suggest this allows the track horns to bear against the more exposed steel rim of the track adjuster wheel during the track warping operation. Nigel Watson makes a brief reference to this in Volume I of his work in Universal Carriers.

[Israel Berko]

long time since my last updates, I ordered from ebay a kit Engine Bisquits "Flathead Ford " Motor Mounts Universal 1932 34 36 37 39 40 Ford.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Engine-Bisq...5Z25ue&vxp=mtr

Now my question is what are the Bolts (also length) and Nuts size for the engine mount?
I took the picture from Petr Brezina (Thanks)
marked in blue

Thanks

[Petr Brezina]

Hi Israel, although they are not "proper" I put there metric bolts, I think M10x25 would be fine.