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That's the way it is. No specific job then no specific pay. Makes perfect sense to me. I really think it's just the Father's emotions talking combined with a lack of knowledge and media hype. They're just trying to sell papers, right? I doubt they (the media) care a Tinker's Cuss about us other than as a potential source of profit. Do I sound jaded??  regards Darrell 
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Thanks Darrell. I thought this was the way, and it makes sense. I never took a call-out during my time in, so never looked up that stuff... if I ever learned it, it's long since faded!
 A shame the media has to jump on sob stories like this - it surprises me a bit coming from the Sun, even though they pride themselves on being open to alternate viewpoints. With regards the gentleman himself, why he would go after the Regiment is beyond me. I can only suppose that it's been so long since we've taken casualties so openly (a lot of our 'peacekeeping' casualties were back-page news if at all) that the public-at-large is ill-prepared to deal with the emotional effects of same. 
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I hope everyone is as common-sense minded as you.  What the public at large fails to realize is that the emotional effects are the same to each and every family that loses a soldier, whether it's our "back-page" UN casualties or the in-the- black, multi-edition-selling Afghanistan troops and their losses. Too well do I remember Wallace and Bons (since I see their memorial every day), and Isfeld an Cooper (I was on that tour, or Jim Ogilvie (stood at his memorial in Bosnia on 11 Nov 2004). Take a look at this List and tell me how many you remember. Soldiers and the Military do what the Govmt tells them to. It's a simple job really. All we have to do is our very best and that's more self-serving than anything else.  Where would Mr Hunter's Boy be if Sgt Gillam wasn't able to provide a little warning to his troops? Has Mr Hunter talked to Maureen Gillam yet? Does he know his son is only likely alive due to the fact Chris gave up his to get some shots off? Ex-cop or no; he should know better. I forgive him tho' as it's most likely emotion speaking. I too would be horrified to have a child of mine hurt but would also engage brain before speaking so publicly. Rant over. The opinions and views expressed above are mine and mine alone. Who's wearing Red today?? regards Darrell
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06-10-06, 18:12
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It's Friday and it's a Red day for us here in Windsor....
About the about the Hazard pay and income tax adjustment as Darryl said ....you have to be "in theater" . Op ATHENA roto 1 2002 Op MINURSO roto 3 1991 OP DANACA roto ? 1989 Mike Timoshyk 52 M38 42 MB
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06-10-06, 18:14
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Sorry for the mis spelling of your name Darrell
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06-10-06, 18:48
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No worrys. I probably couldn't get yours right the first time either!!....................Myke.
 Nice rack of tours you have. E&K Scots? regards Darrell
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Hi Darryl,
I think the last time we met was in the new War Museum gift shop on Vimy Day this past year on my way to my Intended Place of Residence on retirement. Not E&K ....31 years Reg Force retired this past April, As the yanks so kindly put it " REMF". LOL cheers Miyke good news about Hillier and he has to do is change Treasury Board Rules.....from past experience that is like pushing a rope. fingers crossed for the troopies mjt
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06-10-06, 21:52
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Well then, it would seem there is another the reason I'm not CDS!! If General Hillier throws his weight behind changing this, who am I to disagree? Maybe I'll pick up a nice (slight) wound myself when I go in late January and make a bunch of extra cash too.  Although I can empathize with young Hunter and agree that perhaps his pay could have been extended the full 25 days, I still say that he will be compensated financially for his injuries by Federal Agencys other than the Dept of Nat Def. Asking that he continue to recieve it all even after repat, amounts to asking for a change in the Rules. Rules that were in place for everyone else for a long time before Afghanistan, I might add. Asking for a change in the rules isn't something done in a manner that the media is reporting. I stand by all my previous statements. I should point out the $2100 that he was recieving was not just one allowance but a combination of several different ones. Danger Pay, Foriegn Service Allowance, etc, all make up that dollar amount. I get FOA (Field Operation Allowance) when on Exercise here in Canada so by the reasoning of some, I should get that 365/24/7 by virtue of the fact that I'm in a Field Trade? Or by virtue that I come out of the field after an Ex and have dirt in my nails for weeks afterwards? Hmmmm. Or I spend 5 weeks on an Armoured vehicle during an Exercise and my joints ache and my body is bruised because of it for months afterwards so therefore deserve FOA all that time? No? Anyone else see the difference. Mikey, Michael, Mike, Myke....... I'd be lying if I recalled everyone I met over those two days but have a vague recollection of us meeting. Was that before or after I sun-burned the crap out of my face?? regards Darrell
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06-10-06, 22:34
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Darrell,
Someone here with your or Mike's perspective should write the Sun, referencing the quoted article, and patiently explain the system to them. Quoting some of your earlier words would seem to fit well, and while doing so, take a mild swipe at the Libs who are screaming about this, considering it's a policy extant since Pearson's days...
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Our CF fly boys get flight pay whether they fly or not. So why not have wounded soldiers continue their danger pay until they are released from hospital? Are they no less valuable? (keep in mind that the only thing on the battlefield that holds ground is an infanteer). There is danger when flying for sure, but I would argue that in Afghanistan, the infantry occupation is a more dangerous occupation...so, why not pay it??
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07-10-06, 00:17
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General Hillier was on CTV News Net in the pass hour, and he appeared to be saying that there would be no change to the danger pay policy; however, they would be looking at other ways to compensate wounded troops, under a different program. So it looks like something will be done for the wounded troops but they are still working on it.
Darrell, my son will be going to Gagetown from Valcartier, early next week for two weeks training. He is now training with 12RBC for the convoy escort role. They are to go to A-stan in August 2007. To show you how strange things can be in the Military, the reservists from 35th Brigade (eastern Quebec) are having fees for room and board subtracted from their pay, while those from 34th Brigade (Western Quebec) are not. This is because Valcartier is considered to be the home base for 35th Brigade. Last edited by John McGillivray; 07-10-06 at 00:36.
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So you're saying Hunter should not get it?  After all, he's no Infanteer. I would also argue that anyone outside the wire over there, are all equally potential targets for the bad guys. Geoff Sorry ole chum but that won't be me. Regs prevent me from that sort of thing (I think). I'm probably in deep doo-doo for venting here!!  John I've never heard anyone say that the CF made sense in all things. Best of luck to your Boy. Maybe I'll see him as they're coming in to succeed us in Aug 07. I'm to be working with the Res Infantry in the D&S Platoons (but not in the D&S Pl). I'm to help them, among other things, get a handle on mounted ops like Convoy and VIP escort. Should be ......................interesting. regards Darrell
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07-10-06, 01:35
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07-10-06, 01:59
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Yes everyone outside the wire is a potential target....keep in mind also that those within the wire are (were) targets in Kabul...don't know about Kandahar, don't know if any rocket attacks have been made or attempted.
Watch out for the bugs and spiders as well..... Cheers Mike, Myke, Michael, Curly, Jimmy, Plug, Grime and Scribe.
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07-10-06, 03:19
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Darrell Zinck
[B]Hi Alex So you're saying Hunter should not get it? After all, he's no Infanteer. I would also argue that anyone outside the wire over there, are all equally potential targets for the bad guys. Darrell... I did not say that Hunter should not get it...I was talking about rules and regs... Here is what I said.., Darrell... Pay and allowances policys haven't changed in this aspect since I got out 30 years ago... While I hate to see any of our troops hurt and am wearing my red shirt today,there has to be rules and regs and discipline.. When on TD(Temporary duty) certain pay and allowances apply...when you are off that TD ,the goodies stop.. Jump pay and flight pay is the same .,..when no jump ..no fly..no pay.. Our normal pay and allowances continue,so would the wounded members... So nothing has really changed.. God bless our troops. As far as I'm concerned,if you are posted out of the country for 6 months,or how ever long..your pay and allowances should continue until the end of your tour...If you are hurt,I would assume that your are still attached to that units strength...maybe not but I guess this is where they(The powers to be..) start drawing lines... Anyone wounded should be monitarly compensated the same way insurance companys pay out....with out the long legal hassels... There are lots of ways to cut the soldiers pay in a hurry for any number of circumstances..but there has to be some new ways in place that a wounded soldier gets compensation just as quickly,with out some long song and dance about elegibilty..a means to cut the red tape.. And Rob... You telling me that a qualified pilot,flying a desk ,and no longer flying,but still qualified gets flying pay...??? I don't think so...... But things can't have changed that drastically in 30 years... __________________ 
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"CFAO 204-8 - PAY ENTITLEMENT -WHERE OBLIGATION TO FLY HAS BEEN CANCELLED 11. A pilot or air navigator whose obligation to fly has been cancelled for reasons set out in this order and who is retained in the CF does not come within the definition of "pilot" or "navigator" in QR&O 204.215 or 204.214 respectively. Therefore, where a pilot's or navigator's obligation to fly has been cancelled, his new rate of pay shall be as prescribed in the table to QR&O 204.21. The incentive pay category in the table to QR&O 204.21 which shall apply to such officer is that which would apply had the officer been paid under QR&O 204.21 when promoted to his present rank. 12. The effective date of change of pay entitlement shall be the date on which cancellation of the officer's obligation to fly is notified by NDHQ." Yeah, I know - NDHQese bafflegab....The link to the pay tables does not work, however, what I get out of this is that it makes no distinction between an officer filling a flying billet and one flying a desk...they are obliged to fly, and if that obligation is removed, then they don't get the goodies...otherwise, they get the goodies and Air Canada has to wait...
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Hi Alex
I owe you an apology. I was in error with my quotes last post and incorrectly attributed RHC's comments to you. I am sorry for that error on my part. Looking back more carefully, I see it was good ole Herr Clarke that had made the comment about the infanteers. It seemed that he thought Hunter was an Infanteer when in fact he's an Armoured Recce Crewman like me. Machts Nix, really. Pay and allowance wise; I don't know from nothin' when it comes to Flight pay in the AF nor from Sea pay in the Navy. I care little for what blue-jobs and hairy-bags get (I say that in the kindest terms ). I can only hope they're earning it. BTW, Dad was AF for 39yrs and I married a Sailor.The facts are that In-Theatre pay stops when you're not in-theatre. That seems sensible to me. Fair too. Yes, I can see how counting on making $20-30,000+ on a tour and then being wounded and having that lost woud be a let down to a soldier's (and his family's) plans. I can also think that being home alive is something that cannot have a price put on it. If wounded, VAC and SISIP will step up with additional $$ that will over time outstrip any amount a soldier could make on a tour he comes home un-scathed from. Yeah, he/she is wounded and may have greater challenges to overcome in that time but that's also the job they signed up for. If someone were to sign up in my trade and not think they risk injury then I'd say they're a fool. The Military is not a day-care. We expect our troops to know what they're getting into and as long as the govmt upholds their end of the deal (and they have) then what complaint can we make. If the Govmt wants to change the rules for wounded troops or add some other benefit, great. I support that. What I don't support is exceptions to the stated existing rules for specific pay and allowances that are clearly defined with respect to how they are earned. That's the thing about rules and regs, they're published and briefed to us and it's encouraged that the troops read and know them. If troops don't do that, how is it DND's fault? Myk Yes, Kandahar has had it's rocket attacks too but it's so big and also a multi-national base that few Cdns have actually been hurt. IEDs and Op Medusa have been garnering most of the headlines of late anyway. Jon I fear that the in-camp job I thought I had is not going to be so much "in-camp". That and I signed up for the replacement pool for Cbt Arm WOs. Shhhh, don't tell the wife; I didn't. regards Darrell
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NATO soldier killed in attack in Afghanistan
Updated Sat. Oct. 7 2006 8:36 AM ET CTV.ca News Staff A NATO soldier has been killed in the Panjwaii district of Afghanistan, an area where Canadian soldiers have a heavy presence. The soldier was killed when a roadside bomb and small arms fire targeted a military patrol on Saturday -- the fifth anniversary of the U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan. NATO has not yet released the name or nationality of the soldier. In addition to the fatality, one of the patrolling vehicles was damaged, NATO said. After the attack an explosives disposal team and a military attack helicopter were dispatched to the area. The Panjwaii region is one of the most volatile sections of Kandahar province in Afghanistan's south. Numerous attacks and increased fighting have taken place in the region in recent months. The Taliban's use of roadside and suicide bombs has increased, and fighting has been heavy as NATO launched Operation Medusa, a month-long Canadian-led initiative though September to push insurgents out of the south. NATO said 300 fighters were killed during the operation and claimed it as a major success. Meanwhile, in the eastern province of Khost, a suicide bomber used a car to target a U.S. patrol near the Pakistan border, provincial police chief Mohammed Ayub told The Associated Press. There were no casualties, but one of the vehicles was damaged. And in Ghazni province, police said a regional Taliban commander -- Mullah Abdul Rahim Sabauun -- was killed by police on Thursday. Sabauun was reportedly a high-ranking politician under Taliban rule. In total, 39 soldiers and one diplomat have been killed in Afghanistan since 2002. Another 150 or so have been wounded. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories
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I understand that this is a little too modern for this forum, but are there any decent photos of the Leopards that are going to Afganistan out there. I have seen one rear photo and it looked as though there has been a sustantial addition of reactive armour to the hull front and turret. Any info?
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There was a news clip last week on the CBC about them arriving and showed one being off load of an airplane. It was a lovely shot of an ARV Leopard with an EME flag waving on the side. That was all they showed just the one tank.
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Thanks RHC,
Great set of photos, but they don't have anything added on like the Leopard in the photo I saw. There was additional armour approximately 6" thick added to hull front and sides about 2/3 of the way to the rear, as well as extra stuff on the turret. Perry
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Perry,
The blackhats at work have a photo of a Leo C2 dressed up in add-on armour. I don't have a public release photo, but if you contact the DNDOI/DND Public Affairs mob, they probably can fix you up.
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Two NATO soldiers killed in Afghanistan
Taliban ambushed troops, alliance spokesman says Oct. 14, 2006. 01:30 PM ASSOCIATED PRESS KABUL — NATO said two of its soldiers were killed in southern Afghanistan today after militants ambushed the soldiers with rocket propelled grenades and gunfire. Three soldiers were also wounded in the battle in Kandahar province this afternoon, NATO said in a statement. The nationalities of the soldiers were not released. However, the majority of troops in Kandahar are from Canada. There was no immediate assessment of militant casualties, said Maj. Daryl Morrell, a spokesman for the NATO-led force. Taliban militants have been stepping up attacks in the country's south in recent months, particularly in Kandahar and Helmand provinces. On Friday, in Kandahar city, a suicide bomber rammed an explosives-packed van into a NATO military patrol on a busy commercial street, firing deadly shrapnel at nearby storeowners and shoppers. One NATO soldier and eight Afghan civilians were killed. The blast also wounded another NATO soldier and eight civilians. A dozen shops were wrecked. NATO says its clashes with insurgents have decreased somewhat in recent weeks. But militants are increasingly resorting to roadside and suicide attacks to weaken the government and hit Afghan and foreign troops.
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