Standard Vanguard Phase 1

David_Hayward (RIP) · #1 26-02-08, 14:21

Does anyone have any photos please of RAF or other services' Standard Vanguard Phase I (with beetleback) as a modelling company are interested in doing one in military colours?

Cheers.

PPS · #2 28-02-08, 11:15

This one seems to be in RAF colours, only it is a pick-up.

http://www.motorbase.com/vehicle/by-.../gallery.ehtml

Paul.

David_Hayward (RIP) · #3 28-02-08, 12:14

Thanks Paul...that truck is well-known. It's a sedan /saloon we are after, although I wonder if the RAAF had any say?

T. Metsovitis · #4 21-03-08, 18:15

Here are various pics I've found on the web. Apparently there is one in an RAF museum, is it Hendon?

Hope these help

Fyll

cletrac (RIP) · #5 21-05-08, 04:18

I was given a Vanguard phase 2 pickup the other day and when researching it I came up with these pix of RAF Vanguards. The last pic is the one I have to haul home. I don't think it was military but it does have brackets for top bows on the box. I think it'll get a 2.5 litre motor out of an S10 complete with the 5 speed overdrive tranny.

Mike Kelly · #6 21-05-08, 11:08

Hi Cletrac

What a oddity ,well, to me it is , a LHD Vanguard . We had them as family cars in the 1960's , a phase 1 beetleback on to a 1958 estate car . My father worked at Standard Triumph Australia for 20 years ,they morphed into AMI and thus began the Toyota invasion. There was a supply of parts on hand for the Vanguards .. direct from the store ! I've still got the envelope with the invitation to the Xmas party for employees kids . They got into all sorts of weird collaborations , such as assembling Mercedes Benz cars and Ferguson tractors . The last batch of Vanguards they assembled in Melbourne ,were the 6 cyl. utes , around 1964 . In the early 70's, the Jap invasion was well and truely the future and they junked a huge amount of parts for old obsolete Standard cars .. all to the tip .

Until 2 weeks ago, there was a phase 2 sedan , about 2 km down the road from me, it sat there for 20 years .The property is being auctioned this weekend , they had a cleanup and the car has dissapeared .

I've got a fancy decal somewhere , depicting the Standard Triumph logo.

Mike

Mike Kelly · #7 21-05-08, 11:16

The decal ....

They also had some little satellite workshops dotted around Melbourne e.g., a panel repair shop in South Melbourne on the corner of Haig and Cecil Streets and a little workshop in Beach road, Brighton Beach. They assembled a few Standard '10 Woodies' there at Brighton Beach. They did a few Standard 10 utes too .. these are very rare today. The big Boss in England, Mr Black, would venture out now and then.

Mike

Mike Kelly · #8 21-05-08, 12:41

One of the more informative sites:

There was at one point , two clubs in Melbourne .. don't know if they are still up and running

http://www.users.bigpond.com/spacemaster1/

cletrac (RIP) · #9 21-05-08, 16:57

Mike, it's quite an oddity to me too. It's the only Vanguard pickup I've ever seen. I've only seen a couple of Vanguard sedans in total too. They weren't very popular in Canada I guess. I was surprised when I looked under the pickup and saw that it has 14 spring leaves on the rear.

Les Freathy · #10 23-05-08, 18:01

Hi Cletrac

My memory of the vangaurds was they were bulky but comfortable to ride in and out and out rust buckets, whats your like underneath. Attached is a data on the phase 2 hope its of use
cheers
Les

cletrac (RIP) · #11 23-05-08, 21:26

Les, living in Canada must give one a different outlook on some things. I just can't grasp thinking of the Vanguard as being bulky. There must have been quite a change in military minds between WW2 and the 1950s too. If my C8 is 8 cwt then how can the Vanguard be 12 cwt?
We towed it home yesterday behind an old 1966 Mercury pickup. Onlookers must have thought it was the Clampetts moving in.

Les Foster · #12 08-06-08, 18:44

Greetings! I'm new to the MLU Forum. I own a number of English Ford Thames E83W trucks but I have just purchased a 1950 Vanguard Pickup. It is in good mechanical condition, complete, but needs a lot of welding and patching to the body. The pickup box floor is missing. A piece of corrugated metal was supplied to fill the area but I'm not sure if it originally had a wood floor in the box or metal. If anyone can enlighten me on the structure of the box I would be grateful. I'd like to correspond with other owners. Incidentally, I recently visited the Canadian War Museum to see their E83W WWII Emergency Food Van under restoration and have been assisting them with information and some parts. I look forward to restoring the Vanguard as the Thames is only capable of about 35 MPH which rules out many driving events nowadays and the Vanguard should be highway capable. -Les Foster, B.C.

cletrac (RIP) · #13 08-06-08, 23:03

Les Foster,
The front floor of the bed was metal for a foot or so and behind that it was tongue and groove lumber. Under the lumber part is a simple framework made of 1" angle iron that you likely still have. There were metal strips screwed on over the joins in the sticks. This first pic gives the idea but it's the only one I took of the bed before removing it. The lights are the original items too.
If you'd like to correspond with other owners, I'm likely the only option in Canada, but you never know.
The second picture is the frame and chassis. This one had a Studebaker 6 with overdrive installed by a garage owner around 1960. I put mine on an S10 chassis for my daughter (she thinks it'll make a neat hot rod) since I didn't have near enough for a restoration. If you ever come across a hood for a 1948 to 1954 car or pickup let me know as mine is missing. If you need any parts I won't be using any of that chassis or the tail lights or dash or steering wheel. I also have a front bumper that could be restored and a set of hubcaps and wheels. I'm not using the tow hitch either but it wasn't factory installed on the phase 1s from what I've read. I think it would fit though. Send me a PM if you're interested or just to discuss stuff..
Dave

Les Foster · #14 09-06-08, 23:14

Cletrac: Thanks for your reply regarding Vanguard pickups. I tried to reply to my automatic notification last night but mistakenly sent it to mapleleaf.org! I'm new to this- how can I contact you personally as I'm definitely interested in your parts?? Thank you for the information on the box floor- wood will be much easier to replace. Your pickup is slightly newer- '54 maybe? Mine has more rounded rear fenders while your tail lights are mounted to flat rear corners on the box. It's great to find another owner out there! I look forward to emailing you directly as soon as I can figure out how to do it. -Les Foster

Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP) · #15 10-06-08, 00:45

Les,

Click on his name on any post, then click on the Private Message strip - that will allow you to send him a private message ('PM') which will copy him in email for a heads-up and allow him to reply to you accordingly. It works quite well...

Cheers,

Geoff

Quote:

Originally Posted by Les Foster

Cletrac: Thanks for your reply regarding Vanguard pickups. I tried to reply to my automatic notification last night but mistakenly sent it to mapleleaf.org! I'm new to this- how can I contact you personally as I'm definitely interested in your parts?? Thank you for the information on the box floor- wood will be much easier to replace. Your pickup is slightly newer- '54 maybe? Mine has more rounded rear fenders while your tail lights are mounted to flat rear corners on the box. It's great to find another owner out there! I look forward to emailing you directly as soon as I can figure out how to do it. -Les Foster

Les Foster · #16 10-06-08, 05:24

Geoff: Thanks for the assistance! I really appreciate it! Attached is a photo of my 1951 Ford of England, Thames E83W steel box pickup at a fly-in at Delta Heritage Air Park a couple of years ago. I have been helping the Cdn. War Museum a bit with the restoration of their WWII E83W canteen truck. My Vanguard pickup should allow me to attend more events when it is restored as the Thames is limited to 35 MPH so cannot go on any freeways! -Les Foster Delta, BC

cletrac (RIP) · #17 10-06-08, 07:44

Here's some pix off the net. This one is original and not restored according to the site.

cletrac (RIP) · #18 10-06-08, 07:53

Rest of the pix.

Les Foster · #19 18-06-08, 04:16

Dave: Your Vanguard pickup is a "Phase 2" or Series 2 model. I have a Series 1 but there is not much difference- mainly the rear end styling of the box and the grill, cab corner windows, larger rear window, and other minor items. I was able to locate a former owner of mine who told me the pickup was an orchard truck around Summerland, B.C. It has had several owners since who've each done a bit of work on it. Hopefully, I'll be the one to finish its restoration! Please email me regarding those parts- I've sent you two emails recently- did you get them?? -Les Foster