Loyd Carrier ??

[David Hardway]

Hi Guys

Would anyone have production dates for Contract T11246 for 400 carriers made by Dennis Bros


Thanks

Dave Hardway

[Paul Dutton]

The info I have is T11246 400 units made by DENNIS.
Carrier type TS&C No1 & No2 Mk1
WD Numbers T134866 - 135265

[ajmac]

Dennis was the first company to produce Loyds after the initial run by Loyd himself, I believe the Dennis factory was reasonably close to Loyds works making ironing out production issues all the more easy. The only records we have are the production cards at Bovington and they were filled in, in a rather hit and miss fashion, dates being very patchy! As your batch was in the first production run I would suggest 1941 as a good presumption. The second and final run by Dennis has dates in the 1943/44 period.

[Lynn Eades]

David, Is it not in the back of Nigel Watson's Vol. 1?

[Paul Dutton]

Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

David, Is it not in the back of Nigel Watson's Vol. 1?

No dates in the book mate, first place I looked unless ive overlooked it!

[ajmac]

Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

David, Is it not in the back of Nigel Watson's Vol. 1?

Lynn, Nigel used the Bovington cards to compile the list in his book, so as I say, dates are hit and miss. I have a scan of the card covering the second Dennis run and it is a mess, three different totals for the run, with differing dates and lts crossed out!

[Richard Farrant]

Worth trying Surrey County Archives, they hold a lot of Dennis factory records and build sheets. I got one for a 1928 fire engine, gave precise details of the particular vehicle's spec.
Here is a link;
http://www.surreycc.gov.uk/recreatio...alist-vehicles

[David Hardway]

Hi Guys

My first stop was Vol 1 of Nigels books

The Carrier in question is T134977 (Provided the number is genuine of course)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UlLSsIlSw8

Enjoy

Dave

[ajmac]

A great video and a credit to the guy who restored it. 1938 date is off though, Loyds didn't go into production until 1940.

[Lynn Eades]

Dave, George in his official position, needs to make a little effort to be a bit more accurate. That little spiel was pretty disappointing. There is enough mis info regarding carriers without that B.S.
If as Alastair says (and I have no reason to doubt him) the Loyd was built in 1940, The T number will still only be a 5 digit number. Off the top of my head,I would suggest the 6 digit T numbers never occurred until later. Maybe late 42 or 43.

The Loyd is probably 1940 As Al said.
The rare Universal George spoke of is the 1938 Bren, which he seems (from the clip) to take little interest in.
I DO support his efforts to get an extension to the museum, to house the 80 odd vehicles that are not able to be seen by the public.

[ajmac]

Lynn,
I wasn't implying that this Loyd was built in 1940, rather that Loyd production as a whole began in 1940. I would say that the one in question is a 41 or 42 example. Easy to check by looking at the casting dates on the wheels, bogies and brake drums. The bogies and return rollers match the type seen in early war Loyd photos so are probably original to the vehicle.
Some time between 1942 and 1943 the Loyd was given an upgrade with beefed up back axle, strengthened chassis, new dash, new engine cover sides and most noticeably a different lighting arrangement with one headlight and two side lights. I saw an original Loyd on Saturday which had just been brought back to the UK from Europe, totally original and displaying some details I have not seen before. Sadly no serial numbers or traces of the War Dept number remained so it only added to Loyd confusion rather than clearing any up. Someone needs to write a book!