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Old 15-01-12, 19:00
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Default The BS of Email

Gentlemen
I have been giving things much thought recently to our love of email, the Internet and Private Messaging through Forums.
I don't know how anyone else feels on the matter, but I for one have begun to see a radidly evolving pattern of decline in social skills within or society.
At one time, we visited people, sent letters or made phone calls. Nowadays it is mass media and the internet; sitting home slagging others online because we can. People talk about others with total disregard. The candor of some people is offensive. I remember a time when you said things to people face or not at all, and if you did you better be aware that comments may be taken well or not at all. Mouthing off to a big guy often ended up with a knuckle sandwich.
We have become so accustomed to these new tools that failure within these systems is seen as ignoring the sender etc. The tone of conversation is too easily taken incorrectly; the misplaced email is paramount to a criminal act;
the lack of communication because of technical issues is a major ordeal.
How many times have you guys lost email? Lost PMs, never received them?
Made mistakes or incidently miscommunicated facts or appointments?
It seems to me that in our New Age, that quite frankly, we need to go back to the Old Ways. Thanks for reading and to all those out there that I have offended over the years, I am sorry. I almost think it is time to unplug my computer......
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Old 15-01-12, 19:27
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Hi Chris

Good letter to the editor, your point about the lose of civility in e-mail is on point. But the lose of contact with people you enjoy hearing from is to me even worse. I am just now getting over a major computer and internet connection problem, which caused no e-mail, sporadic and unreliable e-mail connection. I could neither receive or send e-mails reliably and to be very frank I missed the contact with people. Four days without MLU was a real lose.

But back to your point, e-mails are a lot like getting people to think before they speak, e-mails could and can be a good means of communication if people will only take the great opportunity to reread what they say before hit send.

Maybe you have the makings of the next great software advance for electronic communication, an app which holds all messages for 5 minutes, then comes back at you reads the message to you and asks do you really want to send this?

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Old 15-01-12, 20:20
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Personally I treat E-mail as a letter so it sometimes takes me quiet a while to answer them.
The thing that anoys me the most is it's so easy for unthinking people to hit the forward button and bombard you with junk. The ones that anoy me the most are the ones that end with "if I don't get this back........" I dump all of them as I don't like the emotional blackmail they are loded with. If there is a good mesage in them or some enjoyable pictures why carn't the sender deleat the rubbish at the end then send.
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Old 15-01-12, 20:22
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Chris,

We are a dying breed. the ones behind us go to pieces if the Facebook status isn't updated Q4H (medical term for every 4 hours).

You forgot to add the one about "if an email can be taken two ways the recipient will always see it in the worst light and or take some devious intent as read into it".

Email is convenient, face to face is mandatory for any business I am involved with I like to start with a handshake and a direct read of the person rather than subjecting them to my blunt British style via email.

After the initial meet however, I use email as there is a record.

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Old 15-01-12, 20:29
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I like your idea of an app.
It puts into context the "look before you leap" idea, same goes for the think before you speak angle.
I find that all too often that email is so impersonal; thoughts and ideas are misconstrued and misunderstood. We are all not great writers or composers of essays.
One example if you will of how something can be miscommunicated;
1) send me your response
or
2) SEND ME YOUR RESPONSE!
or
3) I TOLD YOU THAT A RESPONSE WAS REQUIRED, NOW!

In this example, what is being asked for? What is the mood of the sender? Is a sense of urgency driving the aggresive nature of the sentence? Was the sender joking of messing about? How easily does a curt sentence become understood as being rude, impatient or demanding?
Lets all remeber that email was originally intended to supply information quickly, concisely and with clarity. The emotional context cannot be imposed or relayed easily with electronic communication. This is where it lacks behind the simple tool we call a telephone.
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Old 15-01-12, 22:58
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Years ago there was a thread on MLU about the difference in collecting or searching for information by phone or in a written form. My point back then when forums were relatively new idea was, to decry the American habit of picking up the phone instead of responding to a written inquire in writing.

My reasoning was that if you don't have a recorder running on the phone call much information is quickly lost where any form of written communication at least gives you a good chance of preserving the information the other person is imparting.

I singled out America because at that time because I was looking back to my early 1980s search for information on CMPs. Working from the MVPAs predecessors directory I wrote to every CMP owner listed including information on my HUP, a couple of photos and my general questions. A majority responded, those in the US all replied by phone and unfortunately most of the information and even who responded was gone with my memory in a short time. While I got great detailed letters with photos and drawings to answer my questions from Canada, Europe, and most surprisingly to me at the time from New Zealand and Australia. Several of those letters must have been responded to the day they were received, because I was getting responses in a little over a week.

Most of the information given in this written form is still in my files. Now I've tried to save all the information sent by e-mail in the years since. The photos I have succeeded in saving nearly 100%. Less so the actual e-mails, the lose of e-mail from not having a really effective way of saving and cataloging the e-mails. This failure to save and backup was recently driven home when I lost a large number of e-mails as never received or failed to save when I moved them to the CMP folder.

Now I will read what I've said and see if I should post it. Ok I read it made a few corrections and decided to post.

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As with all things it is a middle of the road approach.

In the old letter writing days there were as many offensive and misinterpreted communications as there are now only a lot slower. The problem is when you wrote a letter it went only to the direct object of your communication (unless you wrote a letter to the newspaper editor) now it goes out to the world for thousands to misinterpret.

My old 92 year old dad has discovered the computer with a vengeance and made it his life's (no green bananas in the fridge) work to get everyone over 75 on line. The freedom and social contact that emails and Google give to housebound old people is more than astounding it is a miracle - talk about changing lives!

The computer has allowed ignorant a... h....s to communicate with people who would have ignored or even shunned them in the past. Just as we took thousands of years to develop manners in speech and hundreds of years to develop manners in writing so we will evolve a system of manners in electronic communication - it just takes time.

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Gentlemen
I have been giving things much thought recently to our love of email, the Internet and Private Messaging through Forums.
I don't know how anyone else feels on the matter, but I for one have begun to see a radidly evolving pattern of decline in social skills within or society.
At one time, we visited people, sent letters or made phone calls. Nowadays it is mass media and the internet; sitting home slagging others online because we can. People talk about others with total disregard. The candor of some people is offensive. I remember a time when you said things to people face or not at all, and if you did you better be aware that comments may be taken well or not at all. Mouthing off to a big guy often ended up with a knuckle sandwich.
We have become so accustomed to these new tools that failure within these systems is seen as ignoring the sender etc. The tone of conversation is too easily taken incorrectly; the misplaced email is paramount to a criminal act;
the lack of communication because of technical issues is a major ordeal.
How many times have you guys lost email? Lost PMs, never received them?
Made mistakes or incidently miscommunicated facts or appointments?
It seems to me that in our New Age, that quite frankly, we need to go back to the Old Ways. Thanks for reading and to all those out there that I have offended over the years, I am sorry. I almost think it is time to unplug my computer......
Chris: Your post is the reason why I 'phone you from time to time.
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