Heads Up: CMPs for sale in Austria

Hanno Spoelstra · #1 19-02-04, 22:07

Just received my copy of the March issue of Classic Military Vehicles Magazine, and looked up the link listed in an ad. Surprisingly, I came across two Canadian vehicles for sale on an Austrian MV dealer's website: a Dodge Canada T222/D15 4x2 GS Truck and a Chevrolet C60S Wrecker!

No connections with the seller.

Tony Smith · #2 20-02-04, 04:54

.. of the Chev wrecker pic, isn't that a Simca SUMB with the "New Generation" Ford V8? Better turn that wrecker around and park it in front of the Simca

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Richard Farrant · #3 21-02-04, 00:52

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Originally posted by Tony Smith
.. of the Chev wrecker pic, isn't that a Simca SUMB with the "New Generation" Ford V8?

Tony,

It is a Steyr 680.

Richard

Hanno Spoelstra · #4 26-09-05, 13:29

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Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
Dodge Canada T222/D15 4x2 GS Truck and a Chevrolet C60S Wrecker!

For what it is worth: the D15 remains priced at € 8.100, but the Chevrolet Wrecker has been reduced to € 8.900.

H.

Hanno Spoelstra · #5 15-05-07, 00:13

Here's a sneak preview of a CMP for sale in Austria. More pics and details to follow later.

Chris, something for you?

Regards,
Hanno

zemsi · #6 15-05-07, 09:21

Hi Hanno

Thanx for that link. It looks like an 4x4, isn't it? I'm only looking for a 4x2.

Austria would be close, however I unfortunately don't have the skills to restore a truck. Therefore, my CRO (Chief Restoration Officer) in Melbourne and the helpful staff in Yass ;-) will help me out.

cu
Chris

Hanno Spoelstra · #7 15-05-07, 23:26

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Originally posted by zemsi
Thanx for that link. It looks like an 4x4, isn't it? I'm only looking for a 4x2.

Hi Chris, yes, it's a 4x4. So close to you, it sounded to good to be true!

Hanno Spoelstra · #8 15-05-07, 23:28

Here's another hint. One with a wooden mallet, as we say in Dutch

cmperry4 · #9 18-07-07, 22:02

Hanno: S/M 6407 is the same order my PERS-3 was built on, build date Aug 27/45. This one is 245 vehicles earlier, but does not appear to be a 'staff car' PERS-3 - wrong door and no filler piece in the door frame - or is it? Another cut-and-shut cab mod, I am supposing.

Seems like production must have really slowed down by that time - that works out to 35 HUPs a month, or just over 1 a day - did Oshawa run a continuous HUP line or just drop them in to other production on the line?

Phil Waterman · #10 19-07-07, 00:45

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Originally posted by cmperry4
Hanno: S/M 6407 is the same order my PERS-3 was built on, build date Aug 27/45. This one is 245 vehicles earlier, but does not appear to be a 'staff car' PERS-3 - wrong door and no filler piece in the door frame - or is it? Another cut-and-shut cab mod, I am supposing.

Seems like production must have really slowed down by that time - that works out to 35 HUPs a month, or just over 1 a day - did Oshawa run a continuous HUP line or just drop them in to other production on the line?

Looking at the Data Plate Hanno posted as compared to my HUP shows some interesting things:

same order number SM 6407 date of manufacture June 7/45 chassis serial number 4844520557 (498 difference) and engine serial number FR 4039351.

This makes me wonder about serial numbers seems that the numbers should be further apart.

Cheers Phil

sth65pac · #11 19-07-07, 14:12

Chris,

TAKE IT>> Its a C8! Very nice Cab 13. You YOU CAN RESTORE IT .. It just has a front differential.

Ian

RHClarke · #12 19-07-07, 22:47

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Originally posted by Phil Waterman
Looking at the Data Plate Hanno posted as compared to my HUP shows some interesting things... Phil

More interesting things: My HUP - Chevrolet, C11A1 Truck, Canadian Military Pattern, 800 weight, Heavy Utility Personnel (HUP), 4x4, Staff car variant, has chassis serial number 4844521376

Quote:

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra in Hammond Barn news
Well, there's a Jan. '45 one for sale in Austria . . . send me some money and I'll pick it up for you

Thanks for the offer Hanno, but it's COD or nothing.

Hanno Spoelstra · #13 27-07-07, 23:40

Quote:

Originally posted by cmperry4
Hanno: S/M 6407 is the same order my PERS-3 was built on, build date Aug 27/45. This one is 245 vehicles earlier, but does not appear to be a 'staff car' PERS-3 - wrong door and no filler piece in the door frame - or is it? Another cut-and-shut cab mod, I am supposing.

Hi Mark,

Yes, I was missing those 1C11 body features as well. I'm sure Mr Hupmeister will comment as soon as he's back from his trip to Europe.

H.

Hanno Spoelstra · #14 27-07-07, 23:44

Interestingly, this C8A was converted into a tipper using a 15-cwt GS body which clearly has a history in the North African theatre.

H.

Hanno Spoelstra · #15 05-05-09, 15:14

Found this ad on the Dutch website http://www.gaf.zeelandnet.nl/

Interestingly, the stencelling on the side proves this is an ex-UNRRA vehicle.

Quote:

Naam: Franz
Datum: 5 May 2009
Telnr.: please use email
Locatie: Linz, Austria
Rubriek: CMP Ford & Chev. Canada
Aangeboden: Ford F15A

engine is running great
clutch and transmission is working
brakes need attention
with a lot of spare parts

2 each NOS master brake cylinders
4 each NOS wheel brake cylinders
2 each NOS brake drums rear axle
1 Set NOS brake shoes rear axle
4 each TO windscreen frame
6 each TO seat frames
1 set NOS head lights
1 Set NOS shock absorbers
1 each NOS Fuelpump
2 sets NOS head gaskets
1 set NOS cushions, seat
1 set repro cushions, seat
1 repro cover rear body
1 set repro door windows
1 set NOS wiring harness dash board
1 NOS distributor cap and rotor
2 NOS breaker points assembly
1 each TO ignition coil
2 each NOS water pump
1 set NOS blackout lights
1 set NOS rifle bracket lower part
1 set NOS switches dashboard
2 each NOS wheel seals front axle
2 each NOS wheel seals rear axle
4 each TO fuel cans
2 each NOS wiper
4 each NOS Gaskets halfshaft
2 each NOS handle door
1 each NOS carburetor base
2 each Repro blackout light brackets rear
2 each Repro boxes behind cabin
2 each Repro windscreens
2 each NOS rear view mirror
1 each Repro spare wheel carrier
1 each TO rim
4 each NOS rubber bumper axle
2 each NOS clutch disks

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Kuno · #16 07-02-08, 21:36

Have just received these pics of a sad CMP in Austria:

Alex van de Wetering · #17 07-02-08, 21:39

That does look odd......Cab narrowed? wheelbase shortened?

Alex

Kuno · #18 07-02-08, 23:18

Cab narrowed? Yes, seems to be so! Wouldn't this mean that the axles were shortened as well?

Shayne · #19 07-02-08, 23:39

Could the cab have been modified to fit a different chassis?

sapper740 · #20 08-02-08, 00:41

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Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

That does look odd......Cab narrowed? wheelbase shortened?

Alex

I think it's an optical illusion caused by the fact that the cab has been lengthened making the truck look narrower. Also, The windscreen has been tilted to the rear and it looks like a snow plough was once mounted to the bumper. I've never seen the O P D CANADA before either. Derek.

cliff · #21 08-02-08, 00:58

cab has been narrowed as the 'F' has been cut off the FORD CANADA script.

attached is an unaltered one showing that the front was narrowed by cutting the centre part away.

Hanno Spoelstra · #22 08-02-08, 14:32

I think Keith Webb initially posted pics of this peculiar Ford.

And here's a link showing more pictures: http://www.oldtimer.or.at/ford_can/

It has indeed been narrowed, including the axles!

Alex van de Wetering · #23 15-10-09, 11:58

[Moderator's note: threads merged from this posting onwards]

Mini-mi is on Ebay....

I remember we discussed this narrowed and shortened F15A on the forum before, after Swiss Chris (?) found it.

None of the extensive mod's are mentioned in the ad though, expect for the engine swap

http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

Alex

zemsi · #24 15-10-09, 12:22

.. yeah, I think that too but can't find the thread about our discussion.

Hanno, his Royal Master Seeker, please

Tony Smith · #25 15-10-09, 13:00

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Originally Posted by zemsi

.. yeah, I think that too but can't find the thread about our discussion.

Hanno, his Royal Master Seeker, please

Using the search feature with the words "Narrowed" and "Shortened", I only get 2 responses, the thread you are reading and THIS ONE.

Alex van de Wetering · #26 15-10-09, 13:18

@ Tony

The question comes up in the old thread as well......why did anyone bother to modify this truck to such an extent....

Hanno mentioned the word " Unimog"....wait a minute.....could this be a prototype Unimog? It does show a lot of simmilarities with the first Unimogs when it comes to wheelsbase, width...no cab roof....and a Merc engine!
That would explain why they didn't bother to keep the word "Ford" in one piece on the clip and why they even narrowed the fenders.

Alex

zemsi · #27 15-10-09, 13:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Smith

Using the search feature with the words "Narrowed" and "Shortened", I only get 2 responses, the thread you are reading and THIS ONE.

Hanno Spoelstra · #28 27-03-12, 09:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

two Canadian vehicles for sale on an Austrian MV dealer's website: a Dodge Canada T222/D15 4x2 GS Truck and a Chevrolet C60S Wrecker!

The D15 is still listed on their website, the C60S is gone, but they have a C8A HUP project listed currently.

Phil Waterman · #29 27-03-12, 15:18

Hi Hanno

Interesting HUP, yes been butchered but not as bad as some that have been restored. Can anyone read what is printed on the side panels?

Cheers Phil

Hanno Spoelstra · #30 26-11-12, 21:42

F15A for sale on gaf92.nl:

Quote:

Naam: CCKWH1
Datum: 26 November 2012
Telnr.: 0123456789
Lokatie: Linz, Austria
Rubriek: Ford
Aangeboden: Ford Canada F15 CMP Truck

Ground up restauration, engine, gearboxes and axles rebuild, breaks new, all parts are sandplastet, original spare Wheel bracked.
7500,- Euro

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