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Old 11-05-14, 03:19
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I'd always assumed that the final assembly took place at the Ford plant. However, Robert Parker, sent me a series of Lynx pictures that he had collected and in the midst of the pictures are a series outside what I think is the International Harvester plant. The logo below the roof peak appears to be the IH logo.

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Old 12-05-14, 05:31
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Getting closer to the root of the problem. I am reminded of the old adage - "no matter how large you build your garage, it will never be large enough".

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Old 12-05-14, 18:01
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Peter,

Good to see the old Lynx is now apart and ready for the mating of the hull(?).

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outside what I think is the International Harvester plant. The logo below the roof peak appears to be the IH logo.
I am pretty sure the building is Ford and not IHC. The Servicepub factory photos CD has several shots of the Lynx, but also has shots of other vehicles with the factory as the backdrop. One with a carrier shows a huge FORD sign on top of the building and another well known picture shows (what I presume if the other end of) the building with stacks of FAT and 3 ton bodies waiting for assembly (no Lynx hulls that I can see!)

Back to the discussion of Final assembly....I guess you have final assembly and final testing before delivery to the army...two different things. I presume at least the latter was done by Ford as they were the ones contracted to deliver the vehicles. Personally I would never let someone else do the final test.

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Old 12-05-14, 23:03
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Hello Peter:

I don't think that is the IH Logo showing up near the peak of the roof of the building in Post #61.

To the best of my knowledge, the red and black IH Logo showed up late in the company's life, late 40's early 50's perhaps. Prior to that the logo was a large capital "C" surmounted by a large capital 'H' overtop of which was a large capital 'I', so the company crest was essentially a large circle. I believe that was the logo they operated under in Australia during the war years as well.

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Old 13-05-14, 02:14
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Dave,

After taking a closer look, I think that you and Alex are right.

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Old 20-05-14, 02:26
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Got to spend a couple of more days in the garage. Removed the transmission and transfer case. Both appear to be in great shape. Transmission shifter linkage will need some work. Rear half of the frame now free and waiting for the front half.

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Old 25-05-14, 02:37
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Default Easy part over

Got the last of the frame separated. The easy part is now over and the fun begins. A good friend has agreed to weld the frame and hull, however that won't take place until mid summer. Lots of time for cleaning, researching and acquiring some of the missing bits and pieces.

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Old 01-06-14, 03:36
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Any day that starts with a visit to Stew Robertson and ends with the OMVAs "Aquino Tank Day" is one for the memory bank. Not only did Stew have the two fuel tanks rebuilt and sealed but he also parted with some great pieces that will move the project along. Thanks Stew, just wish you weren't moving to the other end of the province.
The folks at the Tank museum provided a great show with lots of action and tons of green iron. They and all the participants deserve to be quite proud, it was an outstanding event.

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Old 29-06-14, 04:01
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Relatively quiet while I wait on my welder/friend to rejoin the ranks of the retired. Been cleaning, restoring and rebuilding some of the smaller components and cataloging what needs to be replaced. Decided to start visiting the local area scrap yards to find donor FAT parts that I can recycle. FIRST yard I came across has a Ford FAT, but the owner wants to sell the unit intact and not part it out.
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Old 29-06-14, 14:47
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Relatively quiet while I wait on my welder/friend to rejoin the ranks of the retired. Been cleaning, restoring and rebuilding some of the smaller components and cataloging what needs to be replaced. Decided to start visiting the local area scrap yards to find donor FAT parts that I can recycle. FIRST yard I came across has a Ford FAT, but the owner wants to sell the unit intact and not part it out.
Be careful, if that's Minakers it's not a FAT. They did have FAT body that I bought and married up to a real Chev C-GT found in Bloomfield (I bet they originally were the same vehicle). After my brief ownership, It s now in Kars.
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Old 29-06-14, 17:41
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Bruce,

Thanks for the "heads up". You also know your scrap yards, it is Minakers. The Ford is a bit confusing, 20"' wheels, severely modified for the boom and Garwood winch. Still lots of original bits and pieces, some which I could use. Do you remember the name of the yard in Bloomfield?

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Old 29-06-14, 18:42
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It wasn't a wrecker in Bloomfield, just a private guy north of the main drag on the west side of town (an electrician?). The C-CT was all he had. The body in Minaker's wasn't much use without a chassis and vice-versa so I bought them both. It was on my 'to-do' list until I was convinced to sell it. I still regret it at times.
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Old 31-07-14, 03:29
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Folks,

With all the visitors and related trips, the Lynx has not seen much progress. Did get a "care" package from Dirk L. . Between cleaning, rebuilding/repairing and scrounging the inventory of parts is starting to look semi respectable.

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Old 01-08-14, 02:57
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Took some parts in for some machining at a local shop and got another lead on a FGT in the county. This one was even closer to home, must have driven past it a dozen times a year.
Again, this one is being sold as a unit, not being parted out. Unfortunate, since there were quite a few parts that I could use. The FGT is typical in that the rear compartment is missing, but overall the truck is in great shape with some parts stored inside out of the elements.

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Old 02-08-14, 04:37
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Todays CMP is what I think is a CGT. If I'm wrong please let me know. This one was in the county as well and has been garaged for most of it's life.

This unit was heavily modified to become a combination snow plow and heavy recovery vehicle. The story that I got was that the truck was the creation of a fellow by the name of Lawrence Burford who had a towing business as well as several other enterprises.. It truly belongs in a museum dedicated to people with inventive minds touched by genius.


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Old 02-08-14, 10:37
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Peter,

"stock" Windscreen, doors and roof would be out of place if this was a Gun tractor. The cab 11/12 Gun tractors used a body that stretched all the way from the firewall to the back and used unique doors, windscreen and roof.....unlike the 13cab Gun tractors which did use the stock windscreen and doors and had a specific body stretching from just behind the front doors to the back of the vehicle.

The code 8444 shows this is a C15A. From the pictures it looks like a nice example with panelwork in good condition and even with the strip along the roof line! It's hard to see in the pictures, but I think I see rear fenders(?). Retrofitted or original....? could it have been a water tanker?

nice find Peter!

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Old 03-08-14, 01:41
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Alex,

Thank you, I was a bit confused since there was a central winch, which I assumed only came with the Gun Tractor. This truck has been so heavily modified, and well done, that it hard to recognize where the original CMP begins or ends. The learning process is an enjoyable part of this enterprise.

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Peter
Some of the 60cwt trucks were winch equipped
I believe as was the CGT.
After the war therebwas so much surplus lots of guys mixed and matched whatever components they wanted for specific tasks.
I remember seeing a marina about 20 years ago that must have had at least a dozen cmp type creations.
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Peter, did that truck come from the north east corner of Prince Edward County just south of the Highway 49 bridge from Desteronto?
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Old 03-08-14, 03:25
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Bruce,

I'm starting to think that you know the location every CMP in the county. Are you aware of any Fords that are in the county or surrounding area? I'm still on the hunt for some components for my Lynx.

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Peter
Perhaps if you posted a list of your needs then collectively maybe we can help you find what parts you need?
Alternatively, i also understand playing things low key sometimes to avoid being inundated with offers or getting jacked on prices because its a "want" rather than a "need"
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Chris,

So far my search for parts has been going better than expected, so I don't feel under any great pressure.

What I'm currently looking for is a better hand brake handle and ratchet mechanism that goes through the floor, the gear shift lever, with the trigger toggle and a drivers seat. I know that there are better ones out there than the ones that I've got.

I'm confident that the list will grow when the rebuild gains a head of steam.

Thanks, Peter

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Good luck on your project Peter !

Not too many of those around !



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Got to spend some time in the garage and got the last wheel assembly apart. Great condition, just like the others. Looks as if a rebuild kit for the wheel cylinder and new grease for the bearings is all that's required.

Since this is a "ground up" restoration, I've now started to scope out tires. I understand getting the chevron pattern in 9:00 by 16' is impossible and I'm not a great fan of the NDT, which I have on my Power Wagon. I have heard that the tires for the Ferret are compatible.

I would welcome any suggestions or comments.

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so far as welding mild steel on armor ....it cracks off easily so the Ni Rod offer is a good one

So far as sand blasting ...I am against it unless extreme rust is the issue. All blasting removes original paint. I prefer to spot treat rust and paint over old paint so its still there.

Original paint on WWII vehicles is extremely rare. For my own tank I have only ever over painted so I have been able to go back and rub down to discover original markings , camo schemes and colours.

I am happily in the same position with my FGT #9 . Blast it off and its gone forever...no possibility of future research.
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Peter, if the Lynx is as common to the Ford cmp as I think, the wheel cylinders are an of the shelf item. I will look around to see if I can find my cross reference to the modern numbers. I also have the master cylinder number as well if it is the same. Does the Lynx use a Hydroboost?
I found when I did the first CMP truck which was a Ford that many parts were still available as they were common off the shelf items when the War broke out, borrowed from their civilian predecessors.
I found though to research the crossover parts that I needed to go to an old time auto parts store where they actually still use catalogs and not computers to check. The catalogs will show pictures with sizes etc of the components. If memory serves, the Ford CMP brake system was listed under 2 ton commercial truck 1940s-50s.
I also found Mac's Antique Auto in NY to be quite helpful as well.
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Wheel cylinders on the back are Chev, while the front are Ford. I used a wheel cylinder WC4358 for the rears and the fronts are the standard Ford WC4571 while the master is the MC4572. I went with the silicone brake fluid and while the jury is still out on the long term benefits, I can tell you that it was a bugger to seal at the various joints and copper gaskets.
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Ferret tires are getting difficult to find in good shape.

Another possibility is to go with the Chevron 10.50x16 tires available from STA in the US. They will run you around $320 a tire, and are a little too large, but have the look. I hope to eventually be installing a set of them on the Shilo Lynx.
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Hey Rob, interesting to note your use of silicone brake fluid. I too have changed to using it for a couple reasons and so far its worked out.

1) silicone will not ruin painted surfaces like the old brake fluid, especially when bleeding lines etc or in the event of a leak

2) silicone does not absorb moisture like the old stuff, hence less chance of corrosion in places like wheel and master cylinders. I think this an advantage in itself as many of our MVs sit without use during storage.
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Guys,

I continue to be surprised at the knowledge that the MLU members have and their willingness to share.
Rob, I was aware that the front and rear brake cylinders were of different sizes and had heard of the mix of Ford and Chevrolet parts in the CMP line, but hadn't assumed that it applied to the Lynx.

Thanks once again for your comments. Peter
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