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Crooked white star
On a lot of photos it shows the White Star recognition symbol (of WW2) on Canadian vehicles in Europe at a slight angle.
Was this Common practice or just on the occasional vehicle? Also I have seen both the star and roundel used as air recognision on the roof of vehicles in Europe. Which was more common on Canadian vehicles, the roundel or the white star? cheers Cliff |
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Re: Crooked white star
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I believe this is was the Canadian soldiers way of objecting to have the "symbol of US forces" on their vehicles. Some were applied with point downwards. No doubt the Canadians on this forum have got a fuller story on this. Richard |
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Steve Guthrie found an interesting tidbit about this subject in 2002 - see the thread White Star on the old MLU forum. Here's hoping Steve can repost the drawing attached to the instructions here...
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White Star drawing..
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Here it is Steve Quote:
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I believe I’ve found definitive proof that the Canadians painted their stars on straight…
All Canadians, whether they have been aware of it or not, are personally acquainted with this man of many moods and misfortunes. For Herbie IS the Canadian Army. He is the ambassador-at-large who almost missed the troop train for Halifax, was less one crown and anchor board on arrival overseas, got lost in the London Underground, drunk in the Queens’s at Aldershot, failed to salute the flag car at Leatherhead, holed up with a simply delightful English family on Exercise Spartan and was unholed by the provost. He was first in the bully beef barter queue in Sicily, thrown for a loss by vino rosso, midwife at a Bambi OS birth in Italy, stubbed his toe on the Normandy beach and became D-Day’s first casualty thereby. He fought and franc’d his way through France and Belgium, fell into an Amsterdam canal, thought V2 fluid was hopped-up Calvados, was brought back to life, cautioned the postal corps to strike him off strength and came home… Call it fact. Call it fiction. Call it Herbie Now since Herbie’s truck had a straight painted star, there surely was no conspiracy to paint them crooked, otherwise Herbie would most definitely have been in on it. The above was inspired by an individual on Facebook who was adamant that the Canadians always painted their star’s crooked. 8C4EFD9A-84FC-425E-8E3A-AA9D32F8B836.jpg
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Crooked Stars
My Uncle served in NW Europe during the war, and apparently no-one told his unit that the stars had to be crooked or the same size!
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Just my two cents useless input - Czechs apparently were also members of this crooked star gang
As you can see on the original photo star is also slightly misaligned, so I kept them in this way too. Maybe just a way how some soldiers behave in all these uniformity?
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Hanno, isn't that a firefly?
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No, it is an M4A3(76)W HVSS in US Army service - with a crooked white star
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The Churchill AVRE at Bovingdon appears to have a crooked star on its turret top much as per the Canadian vehicles. Perhaps the dislike of having a US marking was shared.
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Thanks for the answers guys. I really appreciate it.
cheers Cliff |
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See this interesting pic on eBay: WWII Allied STAR ID Canada Post Truck Pre-D-Day Photo Item number: 6584331830
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Postal what?
Hi there
3rd Div postal unit had a AoS of '80' white on black, 4th Armd Dive had a '44' ditto. 2 Corps was '84' Can someone see under the censor's mark? It should be a formation sign, but which one? I wonder what the date is? May 1944 jives with the 'Liberation Star' but what about the Field Service cap the squaddie is wearing? I wonder why the US Army Signal corps took a picture of one of our trucks? Steve
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How's this for making clear who you are?!?!
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I guess if I was driving a GERMAN truck through Europe in the later stages of the War, I would also have BIG recognisable Allied markings too.
I think it's an Opel Blitz. Regards Rick
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I note that the Chev has the "Inboard" clearance lights, my C60S's have the holes for both, Hmmmm.....wonder if it was to do with the fitment of the raiator condensor? Just thought of that, it's always bugged me.
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Canadian objection to the Liberation star?
Can anyone provide evidence that any Canadian, or British, soldier objected to the Liberation star because it was perceived as American?
There was annoyance among British soldiers about Yanks taking their women, but Canadians did that as well. There were jibes about Americans being overpaid, oversexed and overhere, answered by Americans saying Brits were underpaid, undersexed and underike. But I never heard the Liberation star being called American. The need for it was obvious, and there was no alternative, was there? Neither were the white D-Day stripes painted on all aircraft, to my knowledge, ever described as being American. Stars and stripes for ever? I don't think it occurred to anyone, and, if it did, no one minded. They had bigger things on their mind - such as staying alive. Tony |
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U.s. Star marks allied invasion vehicles
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War Diary reference
From the War Diary of the 27th Canadian Armoured Regiment 30 Jun 44:
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Here is a nice story about the allied recognition star: "When the liberators drove into Hillegom, The Netherlands, this reportedly moved Jan Berbee very much. So when he got his own transport company back on the road, he adorned his cars with the five-pointed star for many years. As a tribute to the Americans, Canadians and Englishmen who risked their lives for the people in the Netherlands."
The photo shows some of their trucks in the 1990s, the star has been dropped from their current livery. 78661810_10218353093332404_1202556281278169088_n.jpg
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C8A with 2nd TAF, Normandy 1944. Notice how the white star is “squeezed” making it look thinner.
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Crooked white star
For some years I have been under the impression, perhaps mistaken, that somewhere, sometime, there was a Canadian order that their white stars were to be painted with one point facing forward (whereas the normal for other nations was with one point facing upward). The 'point forward' placing does make it look as f the star is just a little different from the normal. But the reason could just be that there was an order for this to be done.
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The first two pics support that thought...
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