CMP Type

Duane Leiker · #1 07-12-12, 18:36

Gentlemen,
Been a while since I've been on line. Would like to know what type CMP this is in the photo. I know it has a No. 12 cab but what type bed. Is there a specific nomenclature for this vehicle? Thank you.

Grant Bowker · #2 07-12-12, 18:38

There isn't a lot of body showing from under the netting, but I think I see the hinge rod for the dropside of a 2B1 body that would be appropriate for the 12 cab.

cletrac (RIP) · #3 07-12-12, 18:48

It's a 1941 Chev C15A with the 2B1 body.
The image shows the various models that used the 2B1.

Duane Leiker · #4 07-12-12, 19:09

What load is this type 2B1 bed? 8Cwt,15Cwt,30Cwt,60Cwt?? Apologize men, I'm in the USA and don't know the CMP Weight Class numbering system.

One last question please. It is my understanding that the headlights are no longer available. Is there any substitute that works in the buckets?

Thank you again.

cletrac (RIP) · #5 07-12-12, 19:26

C=Chevrolet
15=15 cwt
A=4 wheel drive

On the box
2=15 cwt
B=second type
1=first model

You can fit sealed beams into the buckets.

George McKenzie · #6 07-12-12, 19:45

The weight class is a British thing a CMP 8 is eight parts of a ton a 15 is fifteen parts of a ton or 3/4 ton the CMP 60 would be a three ton

Grant Bowker · #7 07-12-12, 20:40

Also, they were rated in long tons (2240 pounds) so 1 hundredweight (cwt) = 112 pounds is 1/20 ton (and each cwt could be broken down into 8 stones of 14 pounds).
More useless information for a Friday afternoon.

Bruce Parker (RIP) · #8 08-12-12, 00:31

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Originally Posted by ArcticCamper

One last question please. It is my understanding that the headlights are no longer available. Is there any substitute that works in the buckets?

Thank you again.

I can't think the headlamps aren't available. The bulbs are standard civilian car bulbs of the period. Most are 6V but if the electrics on this restoration have been converted to 12V you might find it a little bit harder. The other option is to use 6V (or 12V) seal beams from ~1960 to 1980. The only drawback there is that they have round lenses and won't work with the flat, hooded CMP blackout covers.

Duane Leiker · #9 08-12-12, 02:32

Yep, I have to agree Grant. More useless information to boggle the mind...LOL

I guess if you grow up learning these weights it's child's play. Unfortunately, at 57, to old to learn new stuff. However, I am getting the knack of metric system tools. Have to, cars are all metric now.

Thank you all very much for the information. I know you've told new-comers this dribble before and it gets tiresome. Appreciate your indulging me.

I've always liked the looks of this type truck since I was a kid. Time to research what's out there. I've been watching MilWeb and G503 for about 10 years. Any other sites I should scan through for a C15A with Cab No. 12 and 2B1 box? Never cared for the fender type boxes.

Keep'em running

Bob Carriere · #10 08-12-12, 03:57

Welcome on board "ArticCamper"...... a lot of us have nick names but we tend to use our first name on the Forum.

You call yourself old at 57..... you probably still have pimples!!!

Anyways MLU in North AMerica is a good shopping ground for CMPs.

the older cab 11 and cab 12 are getting harder to find ..... but your young so time is on your side...... also depends how deep your money bag is....deals are to be had but transportation is the killer.

Basically all parts are available for the CMP of whatever models. I am a firm believer in the concept that you cannot rebuild one without a few parts trucks for spares and trading cards for bits and pieces. Sad part is we are all looking after the same parts....such as good sound sheet metal.

Bucket headlights do exists........ met a new cab 11 owner last week who scored two new headlights NOS for $200 each and according to current European prices he's got a bargin.

Now if you have the buckets the glass reflectors and bulbs and lens are available from Mac Auto in Niagara Falls NY...... they were Ford type head lights....so were the door handles.....and the brakes

My question of why do you want one...? have you ever sat in one.....

They have suicide doors, seats are uncomfortable, cab is hotter than hell in Summer, butt ugly and if over 6 feet tall and 190 pounds better look for a huge shoe horn.

........ this from a guys who is 215 and 6'2" and is working on one..... some say I am trying to pay for all my sins from my younger years.

Check out the Hammond Barn if you have a chance. Don't be shy about asking questions. There has been some very interesting thread in the past years on cab 11 and 12 restoration.......nothing is impossible.

Bob C.

Duane Leiker · #11 08-12-12, 05:39

Holy Moly. I've actually never seen one in person. Didn't know they were that small. I'm 6'3" and hitting 285lbs. Mostly old muscle (military days) with small gut. Could I even fit in one? Suicide doors are no problem. It would truly be a huge bummer if I couldn't. Although, I was able to fit into my old M29C Weasel and even drive it long distances when a few pounds heavier. Snug but comfortable. I'm getting very depressing.

What about the Penguin? Any around? Wrong forum for this topic?

Hanno Spoelstra · #12 08-12-12, 11:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArcticCamper

Time to research what's out there. I've been watching MilWeb and G503 for about 10 years. Any other sites I should scan through for a C15A with Cab No. 12 and 2B1 box? Never cared for the fender type boxes.

Duane,

If you fit a Weasel, you'll fit in a Cab 11 or 12, however it will be snug.

There's one close to what you're looking for on auction in the USA TODAY: http://www.auctionsamerica.com/event...ture=grouping=

Act quickly, a chance like this will not come up often!

Phil Waterman · #13 08-12-12, 17:14

Having a Pattern 12 and Pattern 13 you will definitely discover they were built for the average height and weight of the day. At 5'6" I drive my Pat 12 with the seat virtually all the way back against the back of the cab. I'd suggest you start taking yoga classes at 6'3" you'll need to be able to touch your knee to your chin to get in and out of a Pat 11 or 12. As to the weight that will depend on how it is distributed.

Some of the bigger guys in our MV club have trouble even getting in and out of the passengers seat.

But having said that once you figure out how to slide your self in they are an enjoyable truck to drive.

About the headlights if anybody is looking for the original bulb type headlight units they are available, both as regular blub and even halogen, I have them my trucks. So if anybody is looking I'll dig out the source.

If you want to do some more wondering around on the web to look at CMPs take a look at my website. http://canadianmilitarypattern.com/

Being in Virginia may be you could take a run up to the MVMVC Weare Rally this summer July 25-27, 2012 it will be our 26th year. There will at least 3 CMPs there.

Cheers Phil

PS Bob is correct most of us use our real names, which encourages people to take the time to dig out information for fellow members of MLU.

Duane Leiker · #14 08-12-12, 17:45

Good day Hanno,
From what I see (enlarging photo), it's a 4x2 not a 4x4. Description doesn't mention capture documentation. No photo of motor bay and if the vehicle will even run/stop. The problem with most Museum vehicles is that they look good but are in questionable condition electrically and mechanically. Also, the cost of buying, getting it working and transportation make this vehicle a financial gamble.

Best vehicles to buy are ones that have been restored or semi-restored and are being driven regularly.

Don't get me wrong, it is a very nice looking truck but not enough information to sink $20K+ to own.

How much "roomier" is the No. 13 cab? Were any fitted with the 2B1 bed? I may have to keep an open mind on any of these type trucks.

I've scoured the net and information seems to be limited on the CMP's.

By the way, been a member here since 2005 but life took me in a different direction and haven't been on in years. My name is Duane. I'm an exArmy Arctic Warfare Specialist. Hence my ID name. I'm more interested in arctic/snow machines and the not-so-well known vehicles. No big interest in the every day usual surplus military vehicles.

Thank you for the response Hanno.

Bob Carriere · #15 08-12-12, 17:55

Who can dig up the all Aluminium tracked vehicle that Bob Phillips was trying to sell a few years ago.....

If Duane likes the unusual snow machine...... Wapiti...?

Bob

Yeo.NT · #16 08-12-12, 18:24

Here you go Bob, built by Ford Canada with what appears to be bomardier tracks, Ford tractor wheels, tires, a Chaffee final drive, a absecure bus engine and transmisson out of the states

Duane Leiker · #17 08-12-12, 19:17

Phil,
Great website and beautiful vehicles. If I make it up to the Weare Rally next summer, can I try and sit in your vehicles? Does the HUP vehicle have more room for a large carcass?
I was attending the Rally in Spooner, Wis. every year held by Kevin Kronlund. Unfortunately, he was killed in a harvesting accident and the Rallies stopped. I'll miss him.

Bob,
That "Beast" is huge. I LOVE it. I have no idea if it would fit in my garage. I don't suppose anyone has dimensions on that thing. If a couple cleats are available, I can make duplicates and belting is nothing to get. Sprockets can be water jet made. Motor parts shouldn't be hard to find but, the transmission (unusual English Trans.) might be a different matter. All-in-all, a wonderful project. Of course, I'm not really looking for a project. However, anything is possible if the price is right and hauling that bad boy is reasonable.

Thank you.

Phil Waterman · #18 08-12-12, 19:32

Hi Duane

The Pattern 13 Cabs are much more roomy than the Pattern 12s.

On the standard CMP the air conditioning works great in the winter, while the heaters are more than adequate in the summer. But what you might get a real kick out of is the Arctic Kit that was developed for the true cold weather operation. Heater kits on CMPs are relatively un-common, I once heard that this was deliberate to save on fuel.

You might find the winter photos of Pattern 12 & 13s taken in British Columbia during the war http://canadianmilitarypattern.com/C...20Columbia.htm with your specialist training you may get a kick out of the predicaments shown as a result of convoy driving on snowy roads.

Welcome aboard or more correctly welcome back as you first found and joined MLU back in 2005.

As to finding a good running or restored CMP they do come up from time to take a look at the For Sale Or Trade section to get an idea of what has come up over the last few years. Also take a look at the Heads Up heading in that section as the MLU network seems to do a pretty good job of spotting ads for CMPs on the web and even down to the local shopper news level.

Cheers Phil

Grant Bowker · #19 08-12-12, 21:41

The thread that described the Wapiti Bob Phillips was trying to sell was:
http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ghlight=wapiti

Duane Leiker · #20 08-12-12, 21:53

Phil,
I take it the Canada Gov. used the CMP like the US used the CCKW. In the photo link, all I noticed were CMP's. A lot of CMP's. The background was magnificent. Reminds me of Vancouver and Ottawa areas where I have been before (3.5 decades ago). I thought being up North almost all the vehicles used would have Arctic kits. I did notice the HUP standing out in one photo. If you have photos of your HUP interior, I'd like to see them. Is there a manufacturer breakdown of how many models were built?

Glad it has a good air conditioner, I hate getting hot in Winter while driving and nothing beats a great heater during summer with the windows up.

Is the Wapiti available? Where is it located? I'd like to drive up and look it over if a reasonable distance.

Phil Waterman · #21 08-12-12, 23:36

Hi Duane

Here is the best list of production numbers for CMPs from one of Bill Gregg's books on CMPs.

Yes, I have pictures of the interior of my HUP but I've have to narrow the search down an send the links. My web page has to many pages, photos, etc and it lacks an true index or search feature.

Cheers Phil

Bob Carriere · #22 09-12-12, 05:24

Duane

Best to contact Bob Phillips who he lives in the London, Ontario area but the Wapiti is / was located just across the border from Ogdensburg NY.

It is quite the unusual snow beast.... and would be a big project to resurect but what a machine you would have.

Bob

Hanno Spoelstra · #23 09-12-12, 13:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArcticCamper

Good day Hanno,
From what I see (enlarging photo), it's a 4x2 not a 4x4. Description doesn't mention capture documentation. No photo of motor bay and if the vehicle will even run/stop. The problem with most Museum vehicles is that they look good but are in questionable condition electrically and mechanically. Also, the cost of buying, getting it working and transportation make this vehicle a financial gamble.

Best vehicles to buy are ones that have been restored or semi-restored and are being driven regularly.

Don't get me wrong, it is a very nice looking truck but not enough information to sink $20K+ to own.

Hi Duane,

I posted up the link as the auction was running yesterday and I didn't want you to miss out on an opportunity if that truck was to your liking and in your price range. We now know it sold for $ 25,000, so at least we know you didn't miss out on a bargain

Keep looking at CMPs listed for sale on this forum in Canada, the United States (there were some more listed but I need to find them back), or even England, as that is where the very same C15A you posted a picture of, is up for sale!

Hanno