BCATP shop project

Rob Fast · #1 07-10-05, 03:11

I have bit the bullet and decided to work until I am 75, and borrowed the money to build myself a shop! If I wait until I have the cash it will never happen. I poured the concrete this weekend into a 40'x60' thickened edge slab with floor heat installed. 44 meters of concrete, I sure am glad I was talked into the pumper. Hopefully when it is all done it will look like a scaled down version of a BCATP motor pool shed, see the attached photos. 3 doors and a shop, green cedar shake sides. It will be alot of work, but a great little building for the Nipper and LAAT and Bofors. Cheers Rob

Rob Fast · #2 07-10-05, 03:12

ok

Rob Fast · #3 07-10-05, 03:15

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Rob Fast · #4 07-10-05, 03:15

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Rob Fast · #5 07-10-05, 03:33

We started the pour at 7 am, the concrete was all in place by 9:30, and troweling was glassy smooth by 5:00 pm. I will be pounding nails on Wed. morning, more pics to come. A great day, although my 50 year old body is in pain after all the set up involved with a big pour. Cheers Rob

Alex Blair (RIP) · #6 07-10-05, 14:02

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Originally posted by Rob Fast
We started the pour at 7 am, the concrete was all in place by 9:30, and troweling was glassy smooth by 5:00 pm. I will be pounding nails on Wed. morning, more pics to come. A great day, although my 50 year old body is in pain after all the set up involved with a big pour. Cheers Rob

Rob..
What a great looking project...Reminds me of my own shop in P.A.Sask...
You have the ideal set up to use either a hot water tank,gas with a solar loop on the roof..
A wood boiler would be nice but need lots of attention..
Of course you could use the wood boiler loop when you were there ,the gas fired tank or small cast iron boiler there for auto stand by operation,when you were in Florida for the winter holidays and the solar loop for those bright prairie winter days...
Temperature Sensors,check valves and pumps are cheap..
Run the loops in parallel,not series...use a small pump on each loop and a larger pump on the main system...
Put manual ball shut off,in and out on each loop ..These are used to isolate and balance the system..
Wish I was closer..I'd give you a hand..
My missguided youth was spent as a 621 RM tech...
Heating ,refrigeration and airconditioning in civvy street is paying for my retirement..
I'd like to see what you end up with..

Alex Blair (RIP) · #7 07-10-05, 14:10

Rob..
Take a boo at this solar loop..It is a "Drain back" system..probably the best type of loop for your application.
http://www.spnwsupply.com/L4-systems/solar.html
I forgot to add it.

Rob Fast · #8 08-10-05, 02:18

I will check into all of the alternatives for a heat source. I am leaning towards an electric boiler with a outside temp. sensor. The shop will be devided in half with an insulated wall, and the floor heat is set up for 2 zones on different thermostats. More pics to come next week as the walls take shape. Cheers Rob

Rob Fast · #9 08-10-05, 02:22

courtesy BCATP Museum Brandon Manitoba President John McNarry. Thank you John. Rob

Snowtractor · #10 08-10-05, 21:45

....very! Incidentally, you could bugger off all winter to someplace hot and bask in the sun now, but noooo.... you work your ass of on old green stuff in the freezing blustery cold of Manitoba...so tell me a tale about you retiring, never happen . You'll be found with a crescent wrench firmly gripped in your cold dead hands.
So when can I ask to use the garage?

Sean

cmperry4 · #11 16-10-05, 05:13

Very impressive, Rob - I'm looking forward to seeing the completed premises.

You'll have to check out the workshop on the property I just bought near Austin some time. The place is the former townsite of Worby, aka Arizona, on the abandoned CNoR/CNR line from Portage to Brandon. I now own a 2.5-acre ghost town. The front half of the workshop is the former blacksmith's shop, to which a big old farm shed was mated up some years back. Tons of room for the toys.

Heat (in theory) is from a wood-fired outside boiler,cobbled from the firebox and boiler of an old steam tractor. Hot water is circulated from from the 'boiler' via buried lines by electric pump to a big radiator in the building (there are lines to the house in the opposite direction, with the rad mounted in the wood/electric furnace plenum. If you haven't considered a wood-fired outside boiler, check it out as an alternate/supplement to all-electric. (You don't have to find an old steam tractor - there are manufactured systems available for $$$). Have you also looked into a hydronic or geothermal heat setup?

I'm taking the Land Rover out to Worby on Monday for the winter, and plan to move the whole HUP project out there in the spring when my rental deal on the River Heights garage runs out. It's a two-hour drive, but I'll have all the weekend projects in one place (including the Ferguson TEA-20 tractor I'm hoping to grab on Monday if someone else hasn't already bought it.)

Rob Fast · #12 20-10-05, 02:55

I hope to have the shop up before I am found with the cold wrench in my cold hand, on a cold floor! My biggest problem problem is going to find a corner for Gord's Ferret/Carrier ! Mark ,that's great news on your shop/land purchase. Old= instant ambience. Both end wall built, lifting tommorrow, back wall by the weekend. What green colour were BCAPT side wall cedar shingles painted/stained? Creosote green? Cheers Rob

Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP) · #13 20-10-05, 05:26

Carry on, Rob, chop-chop. Roof on before the snow flies, if you please. Roofing is traditional cedar shakes/shingles, suitably aged to mouldering-green under a Manitoba spring. You'll do fine, laddie, an old cast-iron stove fueled by soft coal and your winter will be complete! We'll be looking forward to your periodic reports...

Rob Fast · #14 29-10-05, 12:51

rafters on Tues. 42' mono truss . That back 60' x14' wall was a big lift, 2 tractors and 4 men, nobody got hurt, thats all that counts. More to come next week, Cheers Rob.

Col Tigwell · #15 29-10-05, 14:00

How far apart are the wall timbers and what size are they.

Does it not look a great frame, almost a shame to cover them up.

Have you just bolted frame to slab.

A great job.

Regards

Col Tigwell
Downunder

Snowtractor · #16 29-10-05, 18:17

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Originally posted by Rob Fast
rafters on Tues. 42' mono truss . That back 60' x14' wall was a big lift, 2 tractors and 4 men, nobody got hurt, thats all that counts. More to come next week, Cheers Rob.

Erm, guess you never heard of wall jacks?

YOu stick them on 2x4's and just jack the walls up slowly and safely in to place. But all things turned out well I see and the shop is progressing very well.
Is the shop a little heavier construction the the original ?
Sean

Rob Fast · #17 05-11-05, 03:28

that's all that counts ! 2" x6 " wall construction, 2/ 12 pitch on the roof rafter, yes I would have liked a lower vertical profile on the front wall but I can live with that. After a very productive day, I sure am glad I had a good friend and builder Dale Krentz to scale and handle all of the high altitude sickness I would have encountered on top of the rafters with the purlions. Dale by the way had a huge hockey career with Michigan State in the NCAA and also spent some time with Adarondiuk and the Detroit Red Wings under Jake Demers. That's my brother Tony handling the ground base jobs on this Motor Pool Shed. The Pine bough nailed to the top rafter is a local German tradition, when this job is done, work belts are dropped and the party starts. It's all coming together, Cheers Rob

Alex Blair (RIP) · #18 05-11-05, 18:37

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Originally posted by Rob Fast
that's all that counts ! 2" x6 " wall construction, 2/ 12 pitch on the roof rafter, yes I would have liked a lower vertical profile on the front wall but I can live with that. After a very productive day, I sure am glad I had a good friend and builder Dale Krentz to scale and handle all of the high altitude sickness I would have encountered on top of the rafters with the purlions. Dale by the way had a huge hockey career with Michigan State in the NCAA and also spent some time with Adarondiuk and the Detroit Red Wings under Jake Demers. That's my brother Tony handling the ground base jobs on this Motor Pool Shed. The Pine bough nailed to the top rafter is a local German tradition, when this job is done, work belts are dropped and the party starts. It's all coming together, Cheers Rob

Looks like 16" centers on the walls and 24" centers on the roof..

Gantry crane and overhead trolly..coming up!!!!!

Some swivel lock castors,some steel and some burn time and you could be using a rig like this..
http://www.labsafety.com/search/defa...9&dept_id=7195

You could roll it out doors on some channel iron for outside work..

Nice shop..

Snowtractor · #19 05-11-05, 20:57

Good Idea Alex,
my uncle got an old school bus frame, dirt cheap at wreckers, and cut out the crossmembers and then stick welded the beam together. At either end of the beam he used 12 inch timber post to support it and he had one hell of hoisting beam for dirt cheap. Although he put several rings of chain through the holes in the bus frame to move the chain hoist on to if need be.
Sean

Rob Fast · #20 04-02-06, 01:22

door installed

Rob Fast · #21 04-02-06, 01:25

for construction! Turrets on both sides of working shop, 1 restroom, the other small office, storage up top on both.

Rob Fast · #22 04-02-06, 01:31

A lot of overhead projector work planned on high plaster/drywall walls. Looking for very elementary drawings/black and white of Can. CMP history to paint up on the high walls.

Rob Fast · #23 04-02-06, 01:32

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Rob Fast · #24 04-02-06, 01:34

So far my labor costs on this building are $2600. Can$. I am pretty happy about that , but it's been a lot of work.

Hanno Spoelstra · #25 05-02-06, 23:20

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Originally posted by Rob Fast
A lot of overhead projector work planned on high plaster/drywall walls. Looking for very elementary drawings/black and white of Can. CMP history to paint up on the high walls.

This one must be my favourite....

http://www.mapleleafup.org/vehicles/odds/ford_ad.html

Rob Fast · #26 06-02-06, 02:19

just what I am looking for. My favorite is the pic of a LAAT with Bofors in tow. It is already posted here by Mark Perry , but I don't know how to link it over here. I am working on it. Thanks Hanno . Cheers Rob

Rob Fast · #27 26-02-06, 01:08

with a couple of jars/pints of good Canadian Ale, and started on a fake NISSEN HUT facade entrance to the museum side of my shop. I think I will picture VARGAS girls behing those small pane windows. Cheers Rob

Rob Fast · #28 26-02-06, 02:02

Airbrushing at it's best!

sapper740 · #29 26-02-06, 04:40

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Originally posted by Rob Fast
Airbrushing at it's best!

Great job you're doing on your shop Rob. I'm envious! In addition to the Vargas girls, how 'bout a few Herbie cartoons?
I can almost hear the strains of "String of Pearls"

CHIMO!

Rob Fast · #30 08-05-06, 01:19

Dropped in to their great museum to check out the motor pool shed project. They are doing an unbelievable job! I just hope I can come up with a close facsimile. Also see the hanger that they just reroofed for big dollars, and of course their Hurri! Great museum! Cheers Rob