M38A1 CDN3 headlight guards

chris vickery · #1 24-04-12, 22:17

I assume from the holes in my grill that the CDN 3 should have had bar type headlight guards?
If this is the case, does anyonw have 2 spares kicking around or the dimensions to fab a pair?
I am also looking for some of the small wire type loops that were used on the hood, I assume these may have been part of a winterization kit or maybe field mods for lashing down cammo nets etc. My hood has a couple on it but there are several holes with places to add more. I maybe need around 10 or 12 pcs.
Thanks Chris

Frank v R · #2 24-04-12, 22:41

Hi Chris , just for info , not all of the CDN 2&3 had the headlight mod done on them and if you do install them they need to be the flat style , on the grille clips I can't remember ever seeing a 2 or 3 with these installed , this kit was even rare on the 53's, hope all this helps ,
regards Frank

rob love · #3 25-04-12, 00:39

While the CFTO for the installation of the guards was gradually changed to include the Cdn2 and 3, it really was redundant. They weren't brush guards, but rather were to prevent damage to the headlights when the grill was hinged down to clean out leaves and debris from the radiator. Of course, the Cdn2 and 3 did not have hinged grills. Technically, the guards would be in violation of the highway traffic act in most provinces because they interfere with the beam of light from the headlights.

NIIN for the guards is 00-737-2882, and they are available cheaply from most of the jee parts dealers in the US. I think I paid $10 or $15 a pair for mine from RAPCO at the convention a couple years back.

chris vickery · #4 25-04-12, 00:50

I thought that I had seen at least one 1967 with these guards but I figured that they are the exception rather than the rule due to the fact that I have never really noticed any period pics with them installed.
Just trying to keep up with my due diligence so the jeep police don't get me.

rick25 · #5 25-04-12, 03:26

Hi Chris, My 67 CDN2 parts jeep had these installed.

You're welcome to come take it for a sample to make your own (the parts jeep only has 1 left and it is broken).

-Rick

chris vickery · #6 25-04-12, 05:29

Hey Rick, I am in Surrey. Will try and hook up with you sometime in the next week week if I can.

oztankboy · #7 29-04-12, 08:42

Hey Rick!

Steve over at Midwest Military http://www.midwestmilitary.net/index.html have those head light guards. They are listed in the M38 section as they used the same guards. some times you also see them on M606. M606A2 and A3 jeeps.

Phil...

chris vickery · #8 29-04-12, 20:18

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Originally Posted by chris vickery

I am also looking for some of the small wire type loops that were used on the hood, I assume these may have been part of a winterization kit or maybe field mods for lashing down cammo nets etc. My hood has a couple on it but there are several holes with places to add more. I maybe need around 10 or 12 pcs.
Thanks Chris

I think this item may have been lost in my original post, so here goes once more for clarification. Can anyone tell me if the CF used an insulated hood blanket on the M38A1? I am curious as to the wire loops on my hood and assume this is what there are for. If not, I do invite suggestions as to the purpose.

rob love · #9 29-04-12, 20:36

I have seen those clips on M38, M37, and old 5 ton. The blanket was, I believe, part of a heater installation kit. So they may have been installed but usually on the earlier models of Jeep. I think they were actually part of the perfection coolant heater, as opposed to the compartment heater. The floor plate by the co-drivers feet was for installation of the perfection. I have not seen those heaters used on anything after about the early 70s.

Why you would need a insulating blanket (or even a heater for that matter) in Ontario is beyond me though. It just doesn't get cold enough.

chris vickery · #10 29-04-12, 21:04

Hey Rob, I agree that really I am in no need of a heater nor an insulating blanket, although I do reside in balmy North Bay Ontario. Just trying to be a purist here, as I have many holes in my hood that are unexplained. The spacing does not justify regular footman loops but does match up to a pair of wire type loops that are still on my jeep. It appears that there were about a dozen of these applied to my jeep hood. Remember that this was a militia jeep so who knows what kind of field mods were done.

rob love · #11 29-04-12, 22:09

I think I have some of those loops buried away somewhere. There were two kinds as I recall: straight and 90°.

Here in Manitoba, we did not have heaters in most of the old dueces and 3/4 tons. We did have frost shields on the front windows so that we would not break our SIN cards trying to keep the windshields clear. Occasionally, when it got really cold, we would open the little floor opening that you could check he transmission level on the dueces and let some of the heat in.

That was back in my militia days mind you. When I left the regular force, my MRT had a second heater (from an Iltis) plumbed into the cab that was controlled by a thermostat on the dash. The factory heater was just to try and keep the windshields clear. My truck also had bucket seats, and in the cargo bed, amongst the vidmars and storage bins, was a 24 to 12 volt converter for the VCR and TV, a 30,000 BTU hunter heater for normal heating, and an M115 heater for those really cold nights, as well as to heat up the poptarts for breakfasts or the pizzas for supper.. There were many other niceties as well, so yes, I do understand about field modifications.

Casey B · #12 11-05-12, 05:58

Hey Chris here is a pic of the headlight guards with the front end tiled down so the headlights don't hit the lifting loops.If you make it by my place we can remove one and you get the dimensions from it...I may have them off by the weekend...so let me know

peter simundson · #13 11-05-12, 14:02

The hood blanket was held on by stretch springs from clip to clip.
I have some if you want them.

Peter S

Frank v R · #14 11-05-12, 14:38

I think there is one thing we all need to keep in mind about these items , all 3 models of the A1 were in service at the same time at one point and parts migrate within the system ,Colleen's A1 has a example of this , pass. side fender is 53, driver's is from a 2 or 3 no brace to the frame , Chris your hood may have been removed from a 53 , they were fitted with the hood blanket hardware as were the 52's, as for the headlight guard not all the 2's and 3's had them fitted and the flat type was the one used as opposed the rounded version found on the 52 & 53, everything in the PCC compound is there to be used so it gets used,hope all this helps

chris vickery · #15 11-05-12, 15:18

Peter, I'll take you up on the offer.
Thanks Frank for clarification.
So it seems then that the CDN jeeps had all sorts of mods dependant upon what time they were in service and with which ever unit. I will be happy to present mine as it is.

Casey B · #16 11-05-12, 16:53

Yep The best way is to leave it the way it was last used by the Can. Forces and...it's a lot cheaper to keep it that way!

rob love · #17 11-05-12, 23:54

I will agree on the overlap. I have seen the early M38 brakes on a Cdn2 (different shoes) and one of the first M38A1CND2s I bought had the convoy lamp installed with the switch on the dash.