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Old 11-12-19, 18:53
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Default Otter LRC CM4647296 comes home

I am so extremely proud and excited to say that after a long 77 years after going overseas with the Canadian Army in 1942, Otter LRC CM4647296 has come home to not only Canada but the hometown where it was actually built. This was a much longer process to bring this home then I could have ever imagined. Im hopeful to find its original issued unit and find some history on where this vehicle actually was used in Europe with the Canadian Army. It will be getting my usual ďone rusty bolt at a timeĒ treatment once the C15a is done. Lastly Iíd like to send out a huge thanks to some specific people (you know who you are) who helped me along the way and provided countless hours of guidance. It is so much appreciated. Thank you.
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Old 11-12-19, 18:54
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It got a great look at the city where it was made back in 1942 as it come down the highway.
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Old 11-12-19, 19:25
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Default Wow! Congratulations

So glad to see one come home to great hands!
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Old 11-12-19, 19:29
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Default Good job!

Congratulations Jordan.

I guess the hardwood floors are on hold for a while?!


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Old 11-12-19, 19:44
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Default Well done Jordan

Congratulations.

That Otter LRC is a very nice addition to your growing Canadian HMV collection. I look forward to a long MLU Forum build thread like you are doing with the C15A.

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Old 11-12-19, 20:38
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Congrats, Jordan!

Great to see it returning back to the town where it was built. The Dutch have taken good care of her for the past 75 years, please do the same (or better ) for the next 75

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Old 24-12-19, 00:15
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I wonder if the white wasn't painted over the ta signs to obliterate them prior to disposal. That was often done to surplus vehicles in Canada
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Old 24-12-19, 01:15
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Now my curiosity is peaked.

To what end would the RCASC be using Otters? Convoy escort in forward areas?

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Old 25-12-19, 00:02
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More original markings found. On the passenger door is the W/T. The exciting find was on the rear lower plate. Itís original CMD #. I think itís CMD 26407. Lastly I found on the right rear fender what I believe to be a postwar Dutch marking. The Netherlands flag in what I think was a black circle.

Itís nice finding these numbers as hopefully as others have said this vehicle can be traced.

Alex, Iíve checked the white plate underneath and it doesnít look to have had any thing. The lower front plate might have something but it will have to wait since the nose is pretty close to the shop door. Thanks for those pictures. I have not seen those ones before.

David, as for its role in RCASC usecheck out the info sheet below.
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Old 25-12-19, 12:13
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Default Otter markings

Great to see this Otter in good hands and being restored!

In post #2 it looks like the remains of a registration number CM 46??296 are visible, similar to the number on the Otter on the attached photo (from the book “XII Manitoba Dragoons a tribune” by B. Tascona, showing Otter used during training in the U.K. 1943).

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Old 25-12-19, 15:36
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Lastly I found on the right rear fender what I believe to be a postwar Dutch marking. The Netherlands flag in what I think was a black circle.
Jordan, you might even be able to find an orange lion marking under the red-white-blue dutch flag. The black circle with orange lion was the marking used just after the war (and during the war by the Irene Brigade), later in life Dutch army vehicles received a licence plate and red-white-blue flag in stead of the older style markings.

Attached are two Ward la France wreckers in different time periods. Early post-war with orange lion and later with licence plate and flag marking.
source: https://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/
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Old 25-12-19, 18:22
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This is shaping up to be another great thread. Informative, interesting and always great to see a vehicle given the in depth attention that Jordan is capable of.
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Old 25-12-19, 19:31
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Just a thought, Jordan.

Try shining a UV/Black Light lamp on the markings as you are working on them. Different paints react differently that might otherwise look similar under normal light. Bulbs are readily available at Home Depot, Rona etc, in either incandescent or CFB versions.

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Old 25-12-19, 20:04
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Thanks all for the extra information.

Iíll have to try the black light. Iím finding that the upper layers can easily be chipped off using a small scraper tool from the wartime white paint. It must have had enough of a smooth surface to reduce the adhesion. After the holidays Iím gong to contact Library and Archives to see about getting copies of the War Diaries for 3rd Infantry Brigade Company. Sadly they are not online.
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Old 30-12-19, 19:55
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The original factory applied WD#. The first picture is on the left side of the hull. Picture 2 is on the right side. At some point in its life it had a spare tire mount added. This went right over the factory applied WD#.

Picture 3 is an odd marking I found either on or under the factory paint layer. I also found these numbers on the turret opening guard. Iím wondering if they were left over markings during the manufacturing process?
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I wonder if the white wasn't painted over the ta signs to obliterate them prior to disposal. That was often done to surplus vehicles in Canada
I read in one of the Armoured Delivery Regt war diaries (in Netherlands/Belgium areas in June 45) that part of the recovery and decommissioning work for vehicles at the end of the war was to remove unit markings... it didn't say how that was to be done though.

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I read in one of the Armoured Delivery Regt war diaries (in Netherlands/Belgium areas in June 45) that part of the recovery and decommissioning work for vehicles at the end of the war was to remove unit markings... it didn't say how that was to be done though.
Tim, that's interesting to read. Could you share some more details?

When studying the Sherman and Churchill tanks at Westkapelle, I noted that the census numbers seems to have been painted over - see below. The tanks seem to be have abandoned in situ, struck off strenght, markings painted over, and then were transferred administratively to the Dutch war assets organization which sold them for scrap.

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Sherman V Crab, T-148656,.... Circa 1946, still in the same spot and still complete but the WD census number seems to have been painted out. Maybe because it has been struck off census?

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Finally found one of the Koehler Wheat Lamps as fitted to these vehicles. It also came with the charger. Iíll have to modify the charger as the vehicle one has a high/low charger function and an on/off switch. It was also wired for 12v DC to match the vehicle. Whereas this one is setup for 120v AC. But the main concern was getting the proper style hookups.
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Finally found one of the Koehler Wheat Lamps as fitted to these vehicles. It also came with the charger. Iíll have to modify the charger as the vehicle one has a high/low charger function and an on/off switch. It was also wired for 12v DC to match the vehicle. Whereas this one is setup for 120v AC. But the main concern was getting the proper style hookups.
Good find, that's a hard one to get. They are a commercial mining lamp from the 1930s but because they aren't pretty brass nobody thought to save any.
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