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25-06-10, 17:33
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Looking for jeep history
Clive directed me to this forum so here is my request. Gentlemen, I would like to introduce myself. My name is Dave and if anyone could give me some info on my new aquisition it would be greatly appreciated. It is an M38 A1 CDN 3 CFR- 70-08650. I just picked it up yesterday in the Sudbury area. It is mostly complete but in bad need of body work and new canvas. Can anyone provide me with the background of this vehicle.
Thanks 302Trooper Dave Chaloux 
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04-07-10, 20:33
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Scotty, thank you for taking the time to search for and provide the details of the Jeep ambulance! The body is off the frame now, so the restoration continues
 Cheers, Graham (Graveltech1)
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07-07-10, 03:13
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Good day Craig,
Can you give me any information for my second M38A1 Ser#710597424 CFR 68-08157. Any help would be appreciated. Craig Harris Cold Lake
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12-07-10, 23:59
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Very Long Shot - Any info on M100?
I just acquired an M100 CDN, and am hoping to find some information on its history. I know it's a long shot, but the CFR is 53-70193. No data plates, unfortunately.
Thanks. Mike Baker Esquimalt, BC
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29-07-10, 10:06
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M38A1 CDN2 I just bought at an estate sale...
Good evening,
I just bought an M38A1 CDN 2 at an estate sale, and am hoping to find something of its history. The S/N on the data plate is 96887, which I am assuming would make it 710596887. Delivery and inspection dates were both December 1967. According to ramtank.ca, that S/N was assigned CFR 67-07840. I will likely post some photos in a different thread when I get it home tomorrow or Friday, but I think I struck a pot of gold with this one. It's been sitting in the guy's garage for 10+ years, but flashed-up almost immediately when some new gas was added to the tank. Engine has a re-build tag from 1978. It has very little rust, is still painted in the CF camoflage pattern, came with all of the canvas including the grille cover, and even a bright red arctic hard top! The lights even work. Only things missing that I can see are the winch, the shovel from under the hood, the wiper arms and the fire extinguisher. If only my wife was as happy as I am!
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29-07-10, 13:46
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CFR No 08650 CFR Year 1970 Serial No 99989 Actual ECC 121301 Authorized ECC 121301 NSN ERN 30104 Holding Unit 0131 DA Unit 0131 Date Acquired 01-Jan-70 Cost 0 Alloc Code MD Comm Suite Current VMO DP357375 - 28-Oct-86 HN Date 27-Feb-87 Pending? No Disposed? Yes Disposal Date 22-May-87 VMO History for CFR Number : 08650 VMO Type Pending To ECC To AC To HUIC To DA UIC DP357375 - 28-Oct-86 REGUL No 121301 MA 0131 0131 CANADIAN FORCES BASE LONDON F86-431 - 18-Sep-86 UPDAT No 121301 MD 0131 0131 CANADIAN FORCES BASE LONDON Last Maintenance record shows 43888 miles/kms on the odometer performed by the Windsor Regiment on 23 March 1983
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29-07-10, 13:51
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CFR No 08157 CFR Year 1967 Serial No 7105-97424 Actual ECC 121201 Authorized ECC 121201 NSN ERN 30103 Holding Unit 1732 DA Unit 1732 Date Acquired 01-Jan-67 Cost 0 Alloc Code MA Comm Suite Current VMO DP350852 - 23-Jun-87 HN Date 20-Oct-87 Pending? No Disposed? Yes Disposal Date 30-Sep-87 VMO History for CFR Number : 08157 VMO Type Pending To ECC To AC To HUIC To DA UIC DP350852 - 23-Jun-87 REGUL No 121201 MA 1732 1732 CFB EDMONTON DETACHMENT WAINWRIGHT Last Maint entry entered was performed by 2 RCHA in 31 Dec 78 with 55575 miles/kms on the Odometer. I suspect the rest of the maintenance records are missing as there is nearly a ten year gap from the last one until auction.
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29-07-10, 13:52
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CFR No 70193 CFR Year 1952 Serial No O203 Actual ECC 131101 Authorized ECC 131101 NSN ERN X5270001 Holding Unit 0103 DA Unit 0103 Date Acquired 01-Jan-52 Cost 0 Alloc Code MA Comm Suite Current VMO - HN Date 10-Dec-82 Pending? No Disposed? Yes Disposal Date 10-Dec-82 I cannot find any other information on this M100
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29-07-10, 13:56
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CFR No 07840 CFR Year 1967 Serial No 7105-96887 Actual ECC 121201 Authorized ECC 121201 NSN ERN 30103 Holding Unit 0122 DA Unit 0122 Date Acquired 01-Jan-67 Cost 0 Alloc Code MA Comm Suite Current VMO DP356702 - 22-Sep-86 HN Date 05-Mar-87 Pending? No Disposed? Yes Disposal Date 03-Feb-87 VMO History for CFR Number : 07840 VMO Type Pending To ECC To AC To HUIC To DA UIC DP356702 - 22-Sep-86 REGUL No 121201 MA 0122 0122 CFB CHILLIWACK Last maintenance record was dated 7 Mar 85, performed by CFB Chilliwack with 83013 miles/kms on the Odometer.
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30-07-10, 15:27
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Thanks Dave 302Trooper
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30-07-10, 15:42
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31-07-10, 08:42
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Also - how likely is it that the recorded mileage is incorrect? Is there a mileage given for the previous service? Reason I ask is that the current mileage is 59,717 and it has been sitting under a tarp in a guy's garage in Cobble Hill since at least 1988. And I doubt it did 77,000 miles in 2 1/2 years! Lastly, the engine has a rebuild tag from 1978. It was done by a company called Eastern Rebuilders in Bedford, Quebec, which is a short drive southwest of Farnham and near St. Jean. Would it have been just the engine that was out east or was the whole Jeep out there in the '70s? Thank you very much for your assistance with this - the more info I have, the easier it will be to convince ICBC to register it in my name. Mike
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31-07-10, 16:22
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Back in those days there would have been a national contract to overhaul the engines. Eastern had the contract for a while, later it was Bennet and Hanson. Earlier than that it was 202 Workshop. Engines were traded out fairly often on the fleet, especially as they neared that magic 35,000 mile mark.
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31-07-10, 18:13
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With regards to units, generally the logs will have unit names if they belonged to one. In the case of Chilliwack back in the day, there would have been 1 CER or the DMER pool. CFSME and CFOCS generally shared the Base Tpt fleet. I suspect yours would have been used by either of these schools as all of the logs indicate either Base Maintenance or ASU Chilliwack.
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01-08-10, 19:17
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Awesome - thanks for the info. Obviously I'm new at this!
Mike
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02-08-10, 22:25
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Thanks so much for the help. I would like to personally thank you on my way through Oromocto tomorrow as I visit my friends at the Armoured School. Dave
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02-08-10, 22:49
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I'll check out your parts Jeep for you as soon as I get a chance. I will most likely be tied up tommorrow with training, but I appreciate the gesture. Bit of irony that your 38A1 ended up coming from an Armd unit, although, judging by your Avatar, i'd imagine you were hoping for an RCD Jeep. Worked out well for you either way, plus you can put the Recce kit (MG mount etc) on it without being a poser I have collected 3 x 151s now, and still no luck getting an original Fd Engr Jeep. 2 CER never even used M151s, so I was hoping to find a 22 Fd Sqn carcass out this way, but i've given up as most have returned to the earth now. I'm going to find a CFR from a 4 CER M151A2 on the Database, as I know those were all destroyed in situ at Lahr, so I don't have to worry about stealing someone elses CFR. Scotty
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06-08-10, 22:21
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Scotty, I was actually hoping it came from the VIII CH as the RCD were in Germany and when I arrived on the driver wheeled portion of my TQ3 all the M38A1's were marshalled to leave the regiment and the new Iltis were arriving. I'll take Windsor Regt and I will track down some friends there and see if they have any pictures of my jeep during its regimental service.
The 151's while I was in Pet were only at the Airborne Regt with the 106 guys if my memory serves me right. The iltis didn't have the capability. Dave
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07-08-10, 00:29
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M151A2s
Did Canada use the M40A1 106mm Recoilless Rifle on the M151A2, I was under the impression that weapon was only mounted on the M38A1.
As far as M151A2 use in Petawawa goes, I know that 2 Field Ambulance used them and 2 Combat Engineer Regiment and 2 Military Police Platoon did not.
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10-08-10, 07:02
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Hopefully the database holds some info on a couple of our local club members otherwise history-less vehicles:
1. M38 CFR 52-30688 2. M38 CFR 52-30323 3. M37 CFR 52-40764 4. M151A2CDN 74-09188 (That first M38 has really been around the block and had a really heavy duty Southwind heater installation and about three layers of tac signs.) My own M151A2 (not the one in the list up there) was part of a group of PPCLI(3) vehicles that were disposed of in Victoria, but unfortunately any CFR markings are looooong gone. Was there a block of M151A2 CFRs that went to PPCLI(3) from which I could sort of adopt one? A lot of the PPCLI ones that were scrapped out here had this really ugly "piece of railroad track" abortion for a bumper done as a field mod at some point, and I was hoping one day to find a pic of one of those in service and narrow the range down that way. Who knew there'd be so few pics of the M151A2 in Canadian service? Andy Hill Western Command Chapter MVPA Aldergrove, B.C.
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10-08-10, 20:30
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Probably quite a few people have shots of them in their own photo albums, it's just that looking around the web you only see the same seven-eight shots of them. If scanning photos wasn't such a royal PITA I bet more people would put them up. If I can find the ones from the 3PPCLI disposal I'll nail them up on Flickr or something as I think those vehs still had their plates on.
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10-08-10, 21:33
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I've got nothing on the 2 x M38 and the M37. This info is long gone now from the server. The M151A2 is originally from LDSH, followed by 15 Fd (Arty): CFR Information CFR No 09188 CFR Year 1974 Serial No 43753 Actual ECC 121401 Authorized ECC 121401 NSN ERN 30105 Holding Unit 0122 DA Unit 0122 Date Acquired 01-Jan-74 Cost 0 Alloc Code MD Comm Suite Current VMO DP357357 - 25-Oct-86 HN Date 30-Mar-88 Pending? No Disposed? Yes Disposal Date 05-Jan-88 VMO History for CFR Number : 09188 VMO Type Pending To ECC To AC To HUIC To DA UIC DP357357 - 25-Oct-86 REGUL No 121401 MA 0122 0122 CFB CHILLIWACK F86-415 - 17-Sep-86 UPDAT No 121401 MD 0122 0122 CFB CHILLIWACK The last maint entry was on 19 Mar 86, with a mileage of 66542. Again, this may be in Km, so try converting back to miles if its way off. Any pics of this said M151 would be of interest. I'm always collecting them as I am still a bit off from completing my M151A2 resto. As far as a block of CFRs for the VP in Esquimalt: 74-09454 up to 09478 I didn't check each one individually, but as a betting man, I doubt the Navy was using them There were a half dozen more, but were one off CFR's not in any sequence. Scotty B
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10-08-10, 21:39
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CFR No 08318 CFR Year 1967 Serial No 7105-97585 Actual ECC 121202 Authorized ECC 121202 NSN ERN 30103 Holding Unit 0124 DA Unit 0124 Date Acquired 01-Jan-67 Cost 0 Alloc Code MA Comm Suite Current VMO DP356323 - 28-Aug-86 HN Date 02-Feb-88 Pending? No Disposed? Yes Disposal Date 25-Sep-87 VMO History for CFR Number : 08318 VMO Type Pending To ECC To AC To HUIC To DA UIC DP356323 - 28-Aug-86 REGUL No 121202 MA 0124 0124 CFB TORONTO DP355585 - 07-Jul-86 REGUL No 121202 MD 0124 0124 CFB TORONTO Last maint entry was 17 Dec 83, with 66527 on the odometer. Work was conducted by 25 Service Battalion. Scotty B
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74-09315 CFB Kingston (1974-77) CF JSR (1977-82) Reinforcement Holding Unit Lahr(1982-87) I'd like to know when the photo was taken, as its one of the few 151's i've seen with the MLC marking on the side of it. Scotty
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Thanks for all the info, Scott. Yup, 74-09188 is the CFR that vehicle in the pics with the GPMG mount is wearing, but the owner, Robert J. Sutherland, basically gave it that identity to mimic a vehicle in his old unit (GPMG mount was added just for fun.) The vehicle itself is actually another anonymous one from the same 3PPCLI disposal I talked about earlier, so its true identity is unknown. I took those pics a few years ago to show someone the basic setup on the Canadian M151A2 vs. the American ROPS cage as respects radios and the like.
Dug through the files at work today and happened across both the photos from the disposal of the 3PPCLI M151A2s out at Work Point Barracks and a list of their serial numbers plus a few sold out of Colwood later on. All the vehicles in the pics have the last 3 of their CFR numbers handily painted on them too, mostly in the range Scott gave earlier. All of the M151A2s in the pic are 3PPCLI and they all have the ugly 'railroad track' abortion of a bumper on them. Out of the 10 vehicles I could identify in the pics, just the one happens to have an extra jerrycan mount on the fender right in front of the driver mounted in such a way it would obscure the tac sign. Just on the off chance I had a look at my M151A2 from that sale and voila! The holes are there for the jerry can mount, though covered over by a subsequent owner with bondo! By fluke I found my CFR... 74-09464 If you could look that one up for me too, Scott, it'd make my month. I wonder why there'd be an extra jerry can mounted there, for openers, and why just on the one vehicle? Should make it easy to identify if I ever come across any 3rd Pickly photos from the 80s. My scanner's pooched at the moment (it's allergic to Windows 7) but I'll try get the photos up somewhere public within the next week. All interested parties may feel free to use them anywhere and everywhere. Andy Hill Western Command Chapter MVPA Aldergrove, B.C.
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11-08-10, 12:34
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CFR Information CFR No 09464 CFR Year 1974 Serial No 43846 Actual ECC 121401 Authorized ECC 121401 NSN ERN 30105 Holding Unit 0103 DA Unit 0103 Date Acquired 01-Jan-74 Cost 0 Alloc Code MA Comm Suite Current VMO DP356262 - 27-Aug-86 HN Date 12-Feb-87 Pending? No Disposed? Yes Disposal Date 11-Dec-86 VMO History for CFR Number : 09464 VMO Type Pending To ECC To AC To HUIC To DA UIC DP356262 - 27-Aug-86 REGUL No 121401 MA 0103 0103 Canadian Forces Base Esquimalt F86-204 - 14-May-86 UPDAT No 121401 MD 0103 0103 Canadian Forces Base Esquimalt All documents show that this was a 3 VP vehicle for its entire career. Last maint entry is dated 30 Dec 84 with an odometer reading of 68724. This may in fact be Km instead of Miles, which seems to be the trend lately on most of the vehicles i've looked up on the EDR Viewer. Not sure how clean this will come out in the post, but I discovered I can pull this data into Excel, then paste it in. Sadly, the maint logs don't actually show what was done, but its a rolling record of the mileage. The mod instructions list is quite handy for determining which holes are legit mods There is another thread in here called "Looking for Canadian M151A2 Pictures...." and I believe Rob Love detailed each mod to the CFTO numbers below.CFR Number : 09464 Format Work Order Number SS Date Completed CIN HUIC Usage Qty Parts ($) Rebuild 6 LM4464 30-Dec-84 255* 1854* 68724 1 19 NO 6 LM3464 29-Sep-84 255* 1854* 68642 1 0 NO 6 LM4464 31-Dec-83 255* 1854* 66641 1 268 NO 6 LM1464 31-Mar-83 255* 1854* 63714 1 87 NO 6 LM4464 31-Dec-82 255* 1854* 63703 1 82 NO 6 LM1464 31-Mar-81 255* 1854* 57302 1 81 NO 6 L02028 05-Nov-80 255* 1854* 54988 1 90 NO 6 L04087 14-Feb-80 255* 1854* 54986 1 70 NO 6 L03664 21-Sep-79 255* 1854* 50030 1 73 NO 6 L02818 30-Nov-78 255* 2208* 0 1 0 NO 5 L04984 31-Aug-77 716* 2208* 0 1 0 NO 6 L01003 31-Mar-77 255* 2208* 0 2 0 NO Modification History of CFR : 09464 Modification No Modification Complete Date Completed 30010000CF003* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION NO 30105000CF001* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION YES 30105000CF003* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION YES 30105000CF004* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION YES 30105000CF005* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION YES 30105000CF006* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION YES 30105000CF007* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION YES 30105000CF008* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION YES 30105000CF012* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION YES 30105000CF013* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION YES 30105000CF016* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION YES 30105000CF017* NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS MODIFICATION YES
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