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Old 06-06-19, 21:31
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I have a couple of items that I'm hoping to get identified.

First is a 10 stud 20 inch Dunlop rim. It has an odd construction in that the tyre bead rings on both sides of the rim are removable... weird.

The second is a Chrysler motors water pump which, based on the packaging, seems to date to 1970.

Anyone got any ideas?

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Old 11-06-19, 22:58
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Russell: The water pump is for the M113 APC: has a Chrysler 75M V-8 engine.
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Old 12-06-19, 07:21
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Thanks for the water pump ID Brian. I bought these at a Defence disposal Auction many years ago and NZ definitely had M113's... except, as far as I know, they were fitted with Detroit V6 engines. So, what I now need to figure out is what else did NZ have that were fitted with the Chrysler engine you described.
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Old 12-06-19, 12:18
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Thanks for the water pump ID Brian. I bought these at a Defence disposal Auction many years ago and NZ definitely had M113's... except, as far as I know, they were fitted with Detroit V6 engines. So, what I now need to figure out is what else did NZ have that were fitted with the Chrysler engine you described.
M113 had Chrysler 75M V8 Petrol. Not too many made. None went to NZ.
M113A1 had 6v53 Detroit Diesel. By far the bulk of vehicles were diesel A1 variants, incl all the NZ fleet.

The 75M was an industrial/militarised version of the 361 Dodge V8. Same water pump would fit the block. Did the NZ Army use any Dodge trucks as "C" line vehicles?
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Further info regarding the water pump: The Chrysler number is 2469431 which may help with a broader civilian application. Other military uses for this water pump in the 75M engine were the V100 Commando and a late version of the ONTOS (M50A1).
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Old 13-06-19, 02:25
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The NZ army never really had much of a variety in vehicles. The only things that were running around in the 60's and 70's that spring to mind were RL Bedfords, Landrovers, Ferret's, Scorpions, M113's, M41's and M816/818's. It's possible that some engine driven plant or the odd one off vehicle used the engine types mentioned (they also had some Lees rough terrain forklifts as an example). I guess it's also possible that they received some incorrect spares for the M113's which simply sat on a shelf for years.
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Could even be something obscure like a Defence bus/coach, or RNZAF ground handling equipment. Something you don't associate with being a Military Vehicle.
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We also had a few IHC 4x4 Ambulances, but they had the 260 cu.in 6 cyl. in line engines. I'd say Russell, your last guess was right?
We also received a bit of oddball gear when the Brits and Australians pulled out of Singapore. That's where N.Z. came into ownership of the 4x4 Inter trucks.
The Australian forces had some of the earlier M113s so there's a maybe?
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"The Australian forces had some of the earlier M113s so there's a maybe?"

Just two, purchased for the original trials in the early 1960s and still exist at the Army Tank Museum.

I cannot see how (or why) any spares for these two vehicles would have made their way to New Zealand. As Tony has suggested, another application of the same basic engine is the more likely source.

Also, as Russell has observed, the label seems to suggest a 1970 order or packing date, which would be too late for spares orders for the two M113 vehicles in Australia.

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Old 14-06-19, 08:11
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It's exactly like the rims... don't seem to tie in with anything mainstream that NZ had.
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