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Canadian Dodge CMP prototype photo
I'm thinking of doing a Dodge article for one of the hobby magazines, and would like to include the best available shot of the Dodge CMP prototype.
I've seen an image on here a few times, even kept a copy, but it was very grainy and not really suitable for reproduction. Anyone got a better copy that I can use? I can pass on source and copyright info, just need to get a decent shot to illustrate the text. While I'm on, anyone want to volunteer nice images of a T212 / D8A, T222 / D15, T110 / D60 variants, even an APT ? I will attribute copyright and the like, but since it's a hobby thing no cash involved - just minimal glory. Plain shots showing the basic vehicles preferred. Ta !
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When...
...the heck do you have the time? Its not like those old golden bachelor days you know.
Sean
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hah
Tell me about it.
I'm sure I have a garage with a handfull of trucks in it somewhere - can't quite remember. Writing is what I do in the winter when it's too cold to be in the garage. You remember cold, don't you Sean, that's where you used to live before you moved down to the warmth. Penguin getting plenty of fish? 8~) G
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Gordon the only photo I have seen on MLU is from http://bcoy1cpb.pacdat.net/cmp_canad...ry_pattern.htm
Perhaps he has a better copy or more information about it. I wonder every now and again if any of these Dodge prototype CMP's survived.
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thanks Cliff
that's the shot I was thinking of, wonder if Colin has a better version?
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Moved over from Scenes from Italy:
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Our resident Dodge expert from Scotland will no doubt chime in shortly, but the Dodge in the picture is a regular Dodge D15 15-cwt 4x truck. It is typical of the Modified Conventional Pattern (MCP) vehicles: civilian chassis/cab, with military cargo box, lighting, wheels/tyres, etc. There was no such thing as a CMP 2 wheel drive front axle, only a Chevrolet, Ford, and in this case a Dodge axle. HTH, Hanno
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Thanks Hanno
A few more details.....
All three major players had their own front Beam axle.... Dodge.....Chev.... and Ford..... yet all had the same CPM bolt pattern. Did they use special adapters on the civilian beam axle similar to the C* to accept CMP bolt patterns....... As pictured in Mike's posting..... that D15 represents what model year for Dodge....... 1940--41 or earlier. ...and while I have you attention Hanno...... did you ever send me the lenght measurements for those 3 brake lines..? Bob
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As Hanno says ....
It's a regular T222 engineering code D15, the production conventional configuration rather than the cab forward configuration shown in the image that Colin M-S found, shown here;
They will have used a regular Dodge front axle and put special hubs on it to suit the wheel pattern. In fact this truck and the cab forward version would be near enough mechanically identical except for steering and control linkages I think? Gordon
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Could it be a Ford (note the cab) 15-cwt with a Dodge badge stuck on it, possibly a Dodge engine stuck in as well? What are your thoughts on this? Hanno PS: apart from any possible engineering and manufacturing challenges, I think one of the reasons this truck was not taken in production is because orders for 4x2 trucks must have been declining by the time the Cab 13 was taken in production.
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I love a little speculation ....
Well, if we take that prototype, and subtract the rear body, toolbox, and wheels as ordinary CMP stuff.
The front axle, rear axle, engine, transmission, suspension and drivetrain could all be standard off-the-shelf T222 series from the ordinary D-15, the most would need to do would be to make a specific length of driveshaft from the transmission to back axle. That lot aside, you are left with the steering column, chassis, cab, and drivers controls. I suspect the chassis was made specially, and the steering colum and controls would be modified civilian stuff. The image shows a square roof hatch - anyone tell me if the cab features are identifiably early, late, Ford, Chev ?
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Dodge CMP
Does anyone know the story behind the Dodge-made CMP?
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Dodge CMP
Hi Clive , are you asking about all the modified conventional trucks that were produced or the Dodge prototype CMP, or the D 3/4 APT?
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The prototype CMP
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Colin Stevens notes on his webpage http://bcoy1cpb.pacdat.net/cmp_canad...y_pattern.htm:
"Dodge CMP prototype - Note large name plate on grill, and spindly front hubs. From DESIGN RECORD Volume 5 p. 27D of 2 book set." Did anyone who has access to it, check the Design Record? H.
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I have only found the photo that I scanned. Yes it is grainy but the best and the ONLY image of this truck that I have seen. I have found no mention of it anywhere. The identification was by me because the Design Record used the photo as a generic late cab model illustration - but the name plate and hub spindles caught my eye! I suspect that only one was made. It is not known to have survived. Interestingly several of the older DND Pattern (later called CMP) pilot models have survived. I am defining prototype as THE one original, hand-built made by a manufacturer and Pilot as the limited production e.g. 6 or 20 or whatever pre-production. Here are some surviving Pilot models of the Canadian 15-Cwt. trucks. FORD
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Then there are Prototypes or Pilots of various models e.g. Roy Wellburn of Williams Lake BC had one of the HU-ZL (Wireless repair) made by the factrory which converted an early HUP. It had both sets of data plates on it! It went to Manitoba and is supposed be coming back to BC. The new owner is not a club member. Colin
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im going to go look at what is to be a dodge cmp says he has one for parts and the other one he hauls wood out to sell for fire wood ,i will take pics
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