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HUP s/n 3844536696 markings discovered
Hi all,
Currently refreshing a May 1944 HUP for Normandy and found some marking under the green paint. Vehicle number is clear and on both doors. The yellow Maple leaf on rear door is on a 9" x 8" square but the colour of the square is quite indistinct...could be a mid-green. Around it is a very dark tarmac/black from the camo Next to it is a very clear RCEME tricolour with "40" stencilled over it. Can anyone help with what the "40" refers to? Thanks John
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John. 1944 Chevrolet C8a HUP ZL-2 1944 Willys MB (British Guards Armoured Div); 1944 BSA Folding Bicycle (Best "Para Bike" at War&Peace Show 2011, 2012, 2014 and 2015); Trailer, 10cwt, Water Lightweight, 100 gall; Trailer, 10cwt, Cargo Lightweight 10cwt No1 MkII; Trailer, 10cwt, Electrical Repair Mk.2; Ex-Airborne REME; Trailer, 10cwt, Lightweight, Electric Welding Mk 2; SOLD:1943 Chevrolet C60s Wrecker |
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Neat find. The maple leaf doesn’t quite look like the period ones.
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I'd not considered the leaf design, but I thought that Canadian vehicle numbers started with a "42*****", so a "39*****" was surprising
The vehicle seems very original, or at least not bodily restored/repainted for many years...so if these marking are a post-war addition, think it was done some to time ago.
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John. 1944 Chevrolet C8a HUP ZL-2 1944 Willys MB (British Guards Armoured Div); 1944 BSA Folding Bicycle (Best "Para Bike" at War&Peace Show 2011, 2012, 2014 and 2015); Trailer, 10cwt, Water Lightweight, 100 gall; Trailer, 10cwt, Cargo Lightweight 10cwt No1 MkII; Trailer, 10cwt, Electrical Repair Mk.2; Ex-Airborne REME; Trailer, 10cwt, Lightweight, Electric Welding Mk 2; SOLD:1943 Chevrolet C60s Wrecker |
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RCEME tac Sign
It would be HQ 4 Amoured Div RCEME
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I agree with Jordan. The leaf looks a lot more like the stylized 1960s leaf that got onto our current flag. It wouldn't be the first time that an older layer of restoration got cleaned up and assumed to be original markings.
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Remember that if it was restored in say 1975 it could have had those markings applied then (when there was much less knowledge of what was correct) and then have been repainted several times since, and could easily have fallen on hard times at some point in the second half of its life, despite having survived its first half. That would give a patina to the restoration that would look like original paint. The modified American tail lights were then considered a good way of fitting indicators but still being military and might suggest an older restoration.
Great truck for Normandy ! David Ha ! Cross posted with Rob !! |
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I agree with Jordan on the maple leaf. "3943990-4100000" in the chilwell list is marked as "not taken up", but maybe that range of numbers was used at the end of the war.
Is it me, or could there be "45" written on the RCEME colours...in stead of "40"? "45" wouldn't make sense though...... Alex
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I've just added the Jeep lights to give a little more illumination. I was interested to find the markings today, but am not saying they are original...although that would be good. Every HUP photo I can find seen has the serial numbers CZ42*****, so I am wary of a CZ39*****
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John. 1944 Chevrolet C8a HUP ZL-2 1944 Willys MB (British Guards Armoured Div); 1944 BSA Folding Bicycle (Best "Para Bike" at War&Peace Show 2011, 2012, 2014 and 2015); Trailer, 10cwt, Water Lightweight, 100 gall; Trailer, 10cwt, Cargo Lightweight 10cwt No1 MkII; Trailer, 10cwt, Electrical Repair Mk.2; Ex-Airborne REME; Trailer, 10cwt, Lightweight, Electric Welding Mk 2; SOLD:1943 Chevrolet C60s Wrecker |
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Hi Alex, It was definitely "40" appearing as I sanded off the topcoat
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John. 1944 Chevrolet C8a HUP ZL-2 1944 Willys MB (British Guards Armoured Div); 1944 BSA Folding Bicycle (Best "Para Bike" at War&Peace Show 2011, 2012, 2014 and 2015); Trailer, 10cwt, Water Lightweight, 100 gall; Trailer, 10cwt, Cargo Lightweight 10cwt No1 MkII; Trailer, 10cwt, Electrical Repair Mk.2; Ex-Airborne REME; Trailer, 10cwt, Lightweight, Electric Welding Mk 2; SOLD:1943 Chevrolet C60s Wrecker |
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John.
That’s a nice CMP you have there. The rear hatch to the left of the door looks interesting. I do not recall the HUP or HUA being equipped with such a hatch. They were typically solid rear quarters. However, the HUW, equipped for wireless had such a hatch to vent the chorehorse and I think the ZL Machinery version may also have had such a chorehorse hatch. Is there any evidence inside the rear compartment that it may have had metal bins and shelving attached/fitted? David |
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Hello John, nice buy!
Much of its history in the hands of collectors can be found here on MLU Forum. These markings are from previous restorations. Hanno
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L>R:
Hanno Looks like Art Bell Don't know Don"t know Geoff Winnington Ball Brian Gough I'm guessing mid '70s?
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Hanno, Art Bell, Herb Danter, Bob Doak, Barry Churcher and Brian Gough
Taken in Whitby On |
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Sadly both Herb Danter (left) and Art Bell (right) have passed away since that trip. It was an honour and pleasure to have known them. Hanno
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Apologies to Barry...yesterday must have not been my day!
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Back to topic ;-)
John, here is a small photo from the eBay listing many years ago when Frank Grant put it up for sale.
Hanno
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It had that CZ39 number even then. Roughly when would that have been for sale? John
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John. 1944 Chevrolet C8a HUP ZL-2 1944 Willys MB (British Guards Armoured Div); 1944 BSA Folding Bicycle (Best "Para Bike" at War&Peace Show 2011, 2012, 2014 and 2015); Trailer, 10cwt, Water Lightweight, 100 gall; Trailer, 10cwt, Cargo Lightweight 10cwt No1 MkII; Trailer, 10cwt, Electrical Repair Mk.2; Ex-Airborne REME; Trailer, 10cwt, Lightweight, Electric Welding Mk 2; SOLD:1943 Chevrolet C60s Wrecker |
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Markings
None of the markings are original.
All were added when it was painted. Peter Simundson |
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Is Frank Grant still around? He was either the luckiest guy around with respect to finding rare stuff or a bit of a charlatan.
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Good to have some background. It confirms my thoughts that it is a very sound vehicle. All I am doing now is routine replacements/maintenance which is to be expected after another 10 years. Feel there is more to come out on this one though! Cheers John
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John. 1944 Chevrolet C8a HUP ZL-2 1944 Willys MB (British Guards Armoured Div); 1944 BSA Folding Bicycle (Best "Para Bike" at War&Peace Show 2011, 2012, 2014 and 2015); Trailer, 10cwt, Water Lightweight, 100 gall; Trailer, 10cwt, Cargo Lightweight 10cwt No1 MkII; Trailer, 10cwt, Electrical Repair Mk.2; Ex-Airborne REME; Trailer, 10cwt, Lightweight, Electric Welding Mk 2; SOLD:1943 Chevrolet C60s Wrecker |
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John,
Search this forum for more info on this C8A, there is lots to be found. If I can retrieve my bookmarks (recently changed computers), I will post the relevant threads here. Hanno
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