Parts Required

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

Hi All
Project Phoenix, 1942 C60S needs two seals, namely the rear outer hub plus two Timken bearings with number 3984 stamped on them. I need these to fully refurbish the rear axles. The smaller inner seals and bearing 462 I managed to obtain. Hopefully images of the seal are attached, first time in this new format.
Bob

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

That was easy.

[Bob Carriere]

Bonjour Bob

The only two places I know of for the outer seals are Brian Ashbury in Canada and Dirk in Holland......

The bearings should be source by the dimension size and not by the parts number..... I have had no problems finding new modern parts match for all the bearings and seals for my project except the elusive front axle New Process #928.......

Give us some "in-progress" pictures and details of the problems you encountered.

Bob

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Bob

These seals have come up before on MLU you might try a search to see some of the previous comments. http://www.mapleleafup.org/forums/sh...rear+axle+seal

Having said that I've have never found a modern replacement for this seal though some more recent GM military equipment use a similar seal, different size. The purpose of this seal is to keep the rear end grease from running out into the brake and to prevent water from entering the axle housing when deep water fording. I've run my Pattern 13 C60S with out these seals since 1990 and have never had a problem. Of course I don't operate the truck on extreme side hill slopes anything up to about 10 degrees with no problem. I've even taken the truck further than that when it was stuck in a ditch with out problems. If you do leave these seals out you want to be sure to use a tab locking washer between the nuts to keep them from backing off.

[Max Hedges]

what ya got to trade old mate

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

Phil & Bob
Thank you for your comments and I read the previous thread with interest. These seals are important as my brake shoes and drums were saturated in oil and grease rendering them useless. Images attached before and after plus refurbishing and stainless lining of the slave cylinders.

Max - please PM with what you have, lenses come to mind.

Bob

[Bob Carriere]

Hi Bob

From experience, the oily drum/linings are alwasy easier to take apart than the dry rusted solid drums.......

The worst part for leaking is the inner seal....like Phil has said the outer seal is nice to have..... I got mine from Brian...... the inner seal is readily available from Mac for 1 1/2 to 3 ton Ford axle..... if you are having trouble finding them let me know...... also the sheet metal cone that is visible in your first picture needs to be removed when you clean the baking plate and make sure the small rectangular hole at the bottom is clean up to allow any oil to drain out......remember seals are available in leather or neoprene....go for the modern one if you can as they will not dry up in your hot weather....

Same for bearings..... I know I was able to source mine for the C15a not sure if they were the same for the C60 axle..... have worked on a big one yet....
I may be able to source the bearing from Ottawa if you send me the precise ID..OD.. and thickness ....once I find the source I can turn the info to you for purchasing or can get them for you......depending on location it may be cheaper to have them shipped directly to you....

Picture shows rear cone...... seems the same size as the C60...

Bob

[Bob Carriere]

Just looking again at your new relined shoes......

The brake shop in Ottawa insisted that because my vehicle was going to be used only occasionaly ,that for safety, he had to install rivets in the trailing and leading edge of my linings......different rules!!!! Also had my drums tweaked on the lathe to match the arc of the shoes to the drum......

Bob

[Phil Waterman]

Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

Just looking again at your new relined shoes......

The brake shop in Ottawa insisted that because my vehicle was going to be used only occasionaly ,that for safety, he had to install rivets in the trailing and leading edge of my linings......different rules!!!! Also had my drums tweaked on the lathe to match the arc of the shoes to the drum......

Bob

Bob

When I had my HUP brakes relined years ago (1986+/-) they use green kevlar. Brakes have not been touched other than to adjust them once a year per the book. They still lock the wheels if you stomp on the brakes.

[Bob Carriere]

...my axle shoe linnings are grey..... but now that you mention it my recently done E brake bands for the winch and T case are a funny lime green....and all along I had thougth he had used green linings because he knew they were for an army truck....silly me!!!!

BooB

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

Hi again Bob & Phil
Thanks for your further comments and advice. So far I've obtained the two inner seals, NOS $AUD20 each and the outer bearings, NOS $AUD10 each. And through a quick trade with my good mate Max I obtained the two outer seals, again NOS. I'll re-assess the inner bearings and probably use them if I'm happy with them. Now I can re-assemble the rear axles.
Bob

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

Hi all - I now have the inner bearings thanks to a mate in Queensland who put me onto a company in Queensland. Details are posted in the sub-section of this forum.
Bob