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3 Churchills need saving in Germany
If any one is up for a challenge
http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread...ed-if-not-sold
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thanks niels
I will copy my post here and keep them updated, I don't mind where the tanks end up as long as some are saved, anyway here is the post I put on hmvf. the 3 churchills from haltern range in Germany are to be cut up in the next week if no one comes forward to buy them. the tanks are off the range and in the scrap merchants yard. they are avavilable for £9k each. I have been talking to a german guy today with regard to their value, he wants to buy them and sell them on but I pointed out that they are worth no more than the scrap merchant is asking so no profit left for any middlemen ! if he doesn't save them then I might be able to get some parts but it doesn't look good. so if there is anyone reading this who wants to do their bit then step forward and be counted (tumbleweed moment) I can't save them all guys. http://www.hartziel.de/_typen/churchark.htm http://www.hartziel.de/_typen/churchavlb.htm http://www.hartziel.de/_typen/churcharv.htm rick
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I put that post up yesterday and this one tonight
spoke again today to the german chap Thomas, the tanks are in a yard in Aachen and there are 5 churchills not 3, the 3 I posted earlier are there as well 2 other hulls that have mostly been stripped, that's the good news, the bad news is none of them can be sold complete and all would need to be cut in half apparently to meet the demilitarization rules. if i can arrange it I will fly out in the next week to go and have a shufti and see if there is a way to get around the rules. even though they would need to be cut in half they would still be viable (except the mk7's)as the side armour could be removed and the hull frame cut and once with the new owner the armour could be refitted and the 3/4" box frame welded. (much easier than welding 2 halves of a Sherman together) ! if all else fails i will try to salvage what I can for myself and john's Churchill. I will keep the updates coming as I get them. rick ps. thanks for the offers of help I have received so far
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3 of the tanks
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Churchils
Don't they have any sense of history and a wee bit of common sense over there? Demilitarise what? 70 year old hulks. A restorer or two coûld save a bit of history by gosh. Thanks for your efforts old boy. Robert
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Rick,
Isn't the term 'put beyond use', couldn't one argue that they are already torn up hulks and thus already 'beyond use'? You need a man from the ministry with you
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Rick,
You are to be recommended for trying to save them - here's hoping you succeed Saw the Churchill ARV at Pounds in the mid-80's, it is a tremendous beast and would be my Churchill of choice too. Good luck! Hanno PS: Pic below shows a Churchill sticking out of a scrap pile at Pounds Yard in 1985 - visiting that yard back then was a stunning experience
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thanks hanno
I will try my best but the real hero of the hour is the german guy Thomas that has done all the leg work. I am just trying to use a few contacts to do what I can. i'm looking forward to it but it's going to be a long drive, setting off from Manchester at 10 pm tonight and won't get back until 4am Tuesday rick
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Rick, Best Father's Day ever for you Rick!, heading off to Churchill graveyard!. Stuff dreams are made of mate, good luck!.
Kev.
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hi fella's
I got back tuesday morning from the scrapyard in Germany and unfortunately I wasn't able to save anything not even spare parts, let alone complete tanks. the deal got off to a good enough start with us getting to the yard at 11.30 meeting up with our contact Thomas and having a look at the tanks with a view to salvaging maybe 10 ton of spares. at around midday we left for lunch for an hour and when we came back the deal was off and the scrap guys had decided It was too much hassle and not enough profit. Thomas tried his best to cut a new deal or salvage something but they weren't interested and we had to leave. I have to say it was a bitter blow to have to walk away and i'm still angry but there was nothing I could do. here's a few pics of the tanks, I will post more later. the firs two are a mk2 arv and the other three are a postwar bridgelayer
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Rick,
Very sorry to hear about this outcome! Sounds like "a dime on its side" (as we say in Dutch), it could have gone either way. At least you tried, thanks for sharing this story and the pictures. I guess not all WW2 tanks can be saved Hanno
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