Sherman ARV Mk.I

[Dave Block]

Were these vehicles (attached to the South Albertas & Fort Garry Horse) badged as RECME vehicles? Did any other Cdn units use them, esp. Inf.Div.? Also, would the serial no. prefix be 'REC'?
TIA, Dave

[Mark W. Tonner]

Dave;

In answer to your question(s):

As at 31 May 1944, the authorized entitlement for Sherman ARVs, for units in the First Canadian Army (in 21st Army Group), was for 25 Sherman ARVs, which broke down as follows:

for 2nd Canadian Armoured Brigade - 3 per regiment - 1 per squadron = 9
for 4th Canadian Armoured Brigade - 3 per regiment - 1 per squadron = 9
for 29th Canadian Armoured Reconnaissance Regiment (The South Alberta Regiment), CAC - 1 per squadron = 3
for 2nd Canadian Armoured Brigade Workshop, RCEME - 2
for 4th Canadian Armoured Brigade Workshop, RCEME - 2

total: 25 Sherman ARV

By 31 December 1944, the authorized entitlement for Sherman ARVs, for units in the First Canadian Army (in 21st Army Group), was for 27 Sherman ARVs:

for six armoured regiments (3 per regiment) = 18
for one armoured reconnaissance regiment (1 per squadron) = 3
for two armoured brigade workshops (2 per workshop) = 4
for one armoured personnel carrier regiment (1 per squadron) = 2

total: 27 Sherman ARV

In the case of those Canadian units in Italy (July 1943 to February/March 1945), Sherman ARVs did not reach the Italian Theatre of Operations until after the departure of the 1st Canadian Corps (1st Canadian Armoured Brigade and 5th Canadian Armoured Division (including 5th Canadian Armoured Brigade)) for North-West Europe. Upon reorganization to conform to the establishments and policies of 21st Army Group, by 24 March 1945, 5th Canadian Armoured Division had been issued two Sherman ARVs, while 1st Canadian Armoured Brigade had received two, which increased to six by 31 March. This scale of issue, of two Sherman ARVs to 5th Canadian Armoured Division, and six Sherman ARVs to 1st Canadian Armoured Brigade, remained unchanged, right up until the end of hostilities in North-West Europe on 5 May 1945. The two Sherman ARVs, issued to 5th Canadian Armoured Division, were held by 5th Canadian Armoured Brigade Workshop, RCEME, the armoured regiments and the armoured reconnaissance regiment of 5th Canadian Armoured Division, retained their Sherman gun tanks in the role of recovery tanks, as they had operated in Italy, in lieu of Sherman ARVs. In the case of 1st Canadian Armoured Brigade, their six Sherman ARVs, were divided equally among the three armoured regiments, at two per regiment.

The only Sherman ARV that would have carried a RCEME AoS marking, would be those of the Armoured Brigade Workshops, RCEME, the rest would have carried the AoS marking of the unit to which they were issued. As for the prefix to the Census (or War Department) Number, no, ‘REC’ was not used, the standard ‘CT’ or ‘T’ prefix was used.

I hope this helps.

Cheers

[kevinT]

I can help out with a few.

Fort Garry Horse
CT151003
CT151032
CT151119

Three Rivers
(C)T146415

Calgary Regiment
(C)T147379

Governor General Foot Guards
(C)T148363

Canadian Genadier Guards
(C)T148349
(C)T148391
(C)T148406

British Columbia
(C)T148394

South Alberta
(C)T148374

59th LAD
(C)T147287

I hope this is of some use.

Cheers
Kevin

[Mark W. Tonner]

Originally Posted by kevinT

I can help out with a few. - 59th LAD - (C)T147287

Kevin;

Reference your last - 59th LAD (No. 59 Light Aid Detachment (Type C), RCEME) - (C)T147287, a RCEME type 'C' LAD had no ARV entitlement, they were authorized two Tractors, Breakdown, Heavy, each.

Cheers

[Yeo.NT]

Any vehicle that went through the hands of RCEME for water proofing for D-Day had the RCEME flag on it, from what I've understood from a article "RCEME Tanks: Then and Now" from the EME Journal.

http://www.emebranchgem.ca/CMFiles/J...INAL_light.pdf

[kevinT]

Originally Posted by Mark W. Tonner

Kevin;

Reference your last - 59th LAD (No. 59 Light Aid Detachment (Type C), RCEME) - (C)T147287, a RCEME type 'C' LAD had no ARV entitlement, they were authorized two Tractors, Breakdown, Heavy, each.

Cheers

Apologies for that one Mark, probably a mis-read census number.

Over a 2 year period I have 4 references for T147287.
May 1943 148 RAC
Nov 1943 59th LAD ( This suspect entry )
1943 ANZAC Three Rivers Regiment Italy ( NAC PA 170948 )
1944 7/27 Medium Regiment 6th SA Armoured Divison

Cheers
Kevin

[Mark W. Tonner]

Originally Posted by Yeo.NT

Any vehicle that went through the hands of RCEME for water proofing for D-Day had the RCEME flag on it . . .

Gordon;

Yes, but the 'RCEME flag' and a RCEME Arm of Service (AoS) marking, are two completely different things . . .

[Dave Block]

A few hours ago I was scratching my head, now I'm spoiled for choice as far as markings go. My sincere thanks to all for their contributions. Any screw-ups from here on are strictly my own fault!
Cheers, Dave

P.S. Mark, guys like you, Doug K. Don D. not to forget Barry, Steve, Ed et. al. should collaborate on the 'ultimate' Canadian cammo & markings book. It would be a shame for the next generation to have to re-learn what you've forgotten. I'd buy the beer but I'm on a pension...

[Mark W. Tonner]

Originally Posted by Dave Block

P.S. Mark, guys like you, Doug K. Don D. not to forget Barry, Steve, Ed et. al. should collaborate on the 'ultimate' Canadian cammo & markings book. It would be a shame for the next generation to have to re-learn what you've forgotten.

. . . who knows, there could be one in the works already . . .

[Yeo.NT]

Originally Posted by Mark W. Tonner

Gordon;

Yes, but the 'RCEME flag' and a RCEME Arm of Service (AoS) marking, are two completely different things . . .

Gordon is my father

Neil

[Mark W. Tonner]

Originally Posted by Yeo.NT

Gordon is my father

Neil

I'll get it right next time Neil

Cheers

[Dave Block]

Hmmm, that's the second time I've heard whispers about a 'one stop' book on the subject. BTW, as well as the Serv. Pub. series, I really enjoyed yr 'Churchill Tank' book. Do you ever get down to the Etobicoke/Markham (soon to be Mississauga/Oshawa) militaria shows? Thanks again,
Dave