MLU FORUM  

Go Back   MLU FORUM > GENERAL WW2 TOPICS > WW2 Military History & Equipment

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 27-07-19, 04:44
maple_leaf_eh maple_leaf_eh is offline
Terry Warner
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Shouting at clouds
Posts: 3,081
Default Nickname for CMP cwt trucks

Was looking at some materials from a veterans' association, and the text mentions receiving some 15 cwt trucks. The writer added their nickname as "Cut Weights". Has anyone else seen, heard, used that phrase?
__________________
Terry Warner

- 74-????? M151A2
- 70-08876 M38A1
- 53-71233 M100CDN trailer

Beware! The Green Disease walks among us!
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 28-07-19, 07:47
Lynn Eades Lynn Eades is offline
Bluebell
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Tauranga, New Zealand
Posts: 5,534
Default

Not me, but the Chev 8 cwts are "puddle jumpers" or "Pee Jays" down here in N.Z.
In Australia I think they are all "Blitz's"
__________________
Bluebell

Carrier Armoured O.P. No1 Mk3 W. T84991
Carrier Bren No2.Mk.I. NewZealand Railways. NZR.6.
Dodge WC55. 37mm Gun Motor Carriage M6
Jeep Mb #135668
So many questions....
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 28-07-19, 08:03
Keith Webb's Avatar
Keith Webb Keith Webb is offline
Film maker, CMP addict
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Macleod, Victoria, Australia
Posts: 8,216
Default Names

Yes the generic name for a CMP in Australia is Blitz, or Blitz Buggy, plural is Blitzes.

The 15cwt Sigvans were called butter boxes, a name also applied to the boxy local design gun tractors.

Cab 11/12s (not that we have many of the short wheelbase variety) are generically called Monkey Face or Desert Blitz.
__________________
Film maker

42 FGT No8 (Aust) remains
42 FGT No9 (Aust)
42 F15
Keith Webb
Macleod, Victoria Australia
Also Canadian Military Pattern Vehicles group on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/groups/canadianmilitarypattern
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 28-07-19, 19:08
Richard Farrant's Avatar
Richard Farrant Richard Farrant is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Kent, England
Posts: 3,634
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith Webb View Post

The 15cwt Sigvans were called butter boxes, a name also applied to the boxy local design gun tractors.
Hi Keith,
I have also heard the Blitz signals van refered to as a 'pie van' by Australians.
__________________
Richard

1943 Bedford QLD lorry - 1941 BSA WM20 m/cycle - 1943 Daimler Scout Car Mk2
Member of MVT, IMPS, MVG of NSW, KVE and AMVCS
KVE President & KVE News Editor
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 28-07-19, 20:41
Harry Moon Harry Moon is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Burnaby B.C. Canada
Posts: 1,091
Default sigs vans

Gin Palaces!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 28-07-19, 22:07
Keith Webb's Avatar
Keith Webb Keith Webb is offline
Film maker, CMP addict
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Macleod, Victoria, Australia
Posts: 8,216
Default Pie van

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Farrant View Post
Hi Keith,
I have also heard the Blitz signals van refered to as a 'pie van' by Australians.
You're right Richard, I had forgotten that one!
__________________
Film maker

42 FGT No8 (Aust) remains
42 FGT No9 (Aust)
42 F15
Keith Webb
Macleod, Victoria Australia
Also Canadian Military Pattern Vehicles group on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/groups/canadianmilitarypattern
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 29-07-19, 01:04
rob love rob love is offline
carrier mech
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Shilo MB, the armpit of Canada
Posts: 7,517
Default

I have heard "carrot weight", and a few other interpretations from people who did not know what the cwt stood for.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-08-19, 09:36
Tony Smith's Avatar
Tony Smith Tony Smith is offline
No1, Mk 2** (I'm back!)
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Lithgow, NSW, Australia
Posts: 5,042
Default

Treadjacker2000>Enter
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Farrant View Post
Hi Keith,
I have also heard the Blitz signals van referred to as a 'pie van' by Australians.
Ahh, "Pie Vans", beloved of Ex-Sevicemen for dubious nutrition:
Attached Images
File Type: jpg BnC.JPG (167.7 KB, 16 views)
__________________
You can help Keep Mapleleafup Up! See Here how you can help, and why you should!
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 28-07-19, 14:09
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is offline
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,400
Default "Cut Weights"

Quote:
Originally Posted by maple_leaf_eh View Post
The writer added their nickname as "Cut Weights". Has anyone else seen, heard, used that phrase?
Terry, I have not come across that nickname before.

H.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 30-07-19, 20:22
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is offline
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,400
Default

Hey guys, who switched on the Threadjacker?!?
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 30-07-19, 21:26
Bruce Parker (RIP) Bruce Parker (RIP) is offline
GM Fox I
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SW Ontario, Canada
Posts: 2,606
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra View Post
Hey guys, who switched on the Threadjacker?!?
I've never heard a CMP called a threadjacker. Thread stripper, finger crusher or knuckle bloodier sure, but never threadjacker.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 30-07-19, 22:58
Mike Cecil Mike Cecil is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Cody, Wyoming, USA
Posts: 2,365
Default

Hanno,

We are just going the extra 'country mile', seeing who can measure up, or who gets weighed down before its 'return-to-topic' time. (sorry, I'll stop now...)

(I have not heard a CMP called a threadjacker either, Bruce, but I've called mine a few things that are not printable here, when experiencing all those aspects you mentioned!!)

Mike
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 31-07-19, 00:20
Tony Smith's Avatar
Tony Smith Tony Smith is offline
No1, Mk 2** (I'm back!)
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Lithgow, NSW, Australia
Posts: 5,042
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra View Post
Hey guys, who switched on the Threadjacker?!?
Threadjacker2000 was a secret line of code that Geoff Winnington-Ball wrote into the Forum's software to ensure that threads randomly took off in wild, uncontrollable directions before sometimes returning to the original theme. You can't turn it off, you can't manage it, it just exists in the Forum. It may even be the spirit of Geoff running it!

To try and get back on track, CMP's have also been called Bulldog face or Pug Faced trucks at times, too.
__________________
You can help Keep Mapleleafup Up! See Here how you can help, and why you should!
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 31-07-19, 01:22
Bruce Parker (RIP) Bruce Parker (RIP) is offline
GM Fox I
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SW Ontario, Canada
Posts: 2,606
Default

I'm not quite sure, but could this...just possibly...maybe...be a threadjack of a threadjack? A double threadjack? Or a jack squared perhaps? Very rare indeed.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 31-07-19, 04:09
rob love rob love is offline
carrier mech
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Shilo MB, the armpit of Canada
Posts: 7,517
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Parker View Post
Very rare indeed.

Not rare on this forum. I have said it for years...decades even. The threads on this forum meander like a winding creek through the countryside. But it is all knowledge and interesting.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 31-07-19, 14:03
Phil Waterman Phil Waterman is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Temple, New Hampshire, USA
Posts: 3,927
Default Now back to your regular programing

Quote:
Originally Posted by maple_leaf_eh View Post
Was looking at some materials from a veterans' association, and the text mentions receiving some 15 cwt trucks. The writer added their nickname as "Cut Weights". Has anyone else seen, heard, used that phrase?
Hi

The abbreviation "cwt " was explained to me when I first got my HUP some 40 years ago as "carry weight" or "century weight " in both of these explinations the amount of weight being referring to was 100 lbs. By those explanations a 15 cwt truck was meant to carry 1500 lbs.

Now according to TM 30-410 September 30, 1942 , US War Department entitled, HANDBOOK ON THE BRITISH ARMY WITH SUPPLEMENTS ON THE ROYAL AIR FORCE AND CIVILIAN DEFENSE ORGANIZATIONS. The purpose of this manual reads "The object of this handbook is to furnish a simple guide for the U.S. soldier cooperating with the British."

This book in its abbreviations section lists- cwt Hundredweight

Cheers Phil
__________________
Phil Waterman
`41 C60L Pattern 12
`42 C60S Radio Pattern 13
`45 HUP
http://canadianmilitarypattern.com/
New e-mail Philip@canadianmilitarypattern.com
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 31-07-19, 16:22
Mike Cecil Mike Cecil is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Cody, Wyoming, USA
Posts: 2,365
Default

Phil,

Not far off the mark if your source of the explanation was an American:

1500 lbs = 3/4 of a US (short) ton of 2,000 lb, so you can see the logic from a US point of view concerning 15 cwt (ie 3/4 Imp ton).

US Military nomenclature works in short tons, for example, the 'semitrailer, Van, 6 ton, 2-wheel' has a rated payload of 12,000 lbs, ie 6 x 2,000 lb, and the Ben Hur 'Trailer, tank, water, 1 ton, 250 gallon' has a payload rating of 2,000 lb.

Mike
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 31-07-19, 18:29
Phil Waterman Phil Waterman is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Temple, New Hampshire, USA
Posts: 3,927
Default Short vs Long Ton

Hi Mike


There are stories of some interesting confusion over payloads being quoted in long tons are understood as being short tons. There is one story from the Berlin Airlift about a C47 being loaded to the limit thinking it was short tons and actually being long tons. The goonie bird carried it but it was a long flight. There also is a story were they mixed up the weights for perforated decking confusing the weight for aluminum decking and loading steel decking. The pilots made the flight with the engines wide open, after it landed in Berlin the plane was scrapped.



Moral of these stories is the old saying "two peoples separated by a common language."



The book I was referring to also explained that 4x4 quarter ton was referred to in Britain as a Blitz Buggy.


Cheers Phil
__________________
Phil Waterman
`41 C60L Pattern 12
`42 C60S Radio Pattern 13
`45 HUP
http://canadianmilitarypattern.com/
New e-mail Philip@canadianmilitarypattern.com
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 31-07-19, 19:27
Richard Farrant's Avatar
Richard Farrant Richard Farrant is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Kent, England
Posts: 3,634
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Waterman View Post



The book I was referring to also explained that 4x4 quarter ton was referred to in Britain as a Blitz Buggy.

Hi Phil,
I have a British War Office Data Book on Bearings. It lists every ball and roller bearing on vehicles in service, whether British, Canadian or US built. It is wartime dated. It lists only the Bantam with the title 'Blitz Buggy', so it must have been an official name by the British.
__________________
Richard

1943 Bedford QLD lorry - 1941 BSA WM20 m/cycle - 1943 Daimler Scout Car Mk2
Member of MVT, IMPS, MVG of NSW, KVE and AMVCS
KVE President & KVE News Editor
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 31-07-19, 23:43
Bruce Parker (RIP) Bruce Parker (RIP) is offline
GM Fox I
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SW Ontario, Canada
Posts: 2,606
Default Weights and measures

At the risk of taking a meandering tributary of Rob's creek, this might be interesting to those following the second or third hijack of this thread. I don't feel too bad at it as a General Motors product and it might help you out in the kitchen.
Attached Files
File Type: pdf Weights & Measures.PDF (726.5 KB, 14 views)
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Probably everyone has seen these two trucks before Sean Dunnage The Softskin Forum 2 19-06-12 17:37
new trucks for the C.F. mike mckinley Post-war Military Vehicles 24 29-12-09 14:17
Sand, Dust & Gravel: "Nickname" for SD&G ? Wigger K. F. van der Horst WW2 Military History & Equipment 22 17-08-07 03:57
ID these trucks servicepub (RIP) The Softskin Forum 3 15-05-05 10:01
help ID 2 trucks please cliff The Softskin Forum 20 25-11-04 03:25


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 22:23.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Maple Leaf Up, 2003-2016