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Old 28-03-23, 16:09
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Default Info wanted on Sherman IC T 269916

Hi All , is there somewhere a list where I can check the service life of Sherman IC T 269916 ?
Thanks .
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Old 28-03-23, 19:11
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Default M4. Mk IC Firefly 269916

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Hi All , is there somewhere a list where I can check the service life of Sherman IC T 269916 ?
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Hi Maurice,
At the end of March 1945 T269916 was with 22 CAR, Canadian Grenadier Guards

https://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/o...el_t12742/1101

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Old 29-03-23, 08:43
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Hereís the info provided by Mark Tonner many years ago

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...959#post101959
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Old 29-03-23, 09:24
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Thanks , Must be an age thing , I rememberred asking this before , but couldn`t remember where .
As a side thing is they mentionned RAM 25 pr , so no Sexton name at that time .
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Old 29-03-23, 12:15
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Something to remember about official names in the Second World War, is that a lot of them were only popularised by (if you ask me) the early AFV historians/authors in the 1960s and beyond. Yes, the official name of the Ram with 25-pounder was Sexton, but that doesn’t mean it was in common use everywhere, or even anywhere. But due to the influence of those early authors, everybody today uses that name for the vehicle.

Other examples of this:
  • “Firefly” for “17-pounder Sherman” — Firefly, as well as Mayfly, during the war frequently meant “anything armed with a 17-pounder gun”.
  • “Achilles” for “17-pounder M10” — Achilles was the official British name for any 3-in GMC M10 whether with the original gun or the 17-pounder, but pretty much nobody ever used that.
  • “Buffalo” for the LVT(2) and “Water Buffalo” for the LVT(4) — in British service, they were generally just called “LVT”.
  • “Honey” for the light tank M3 — this apparently comes from some American press coverage of a British tanker saying “it’s a honey!” about a new tank he just took delivery of.
  • “Wolverine” for the 3-in GMC M10 and “Hellcat” for the 3-in GMC M18 — AFAIK these are both names thought up by the advertising departments of the American companies building them.
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Old 29-03-23, 18:54
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Thanks , Must be an age thing , I remembered asking this before , but couldn`t remember where .
No probs, happy to help searching.

And posting the question again brought it under the attention of Kevin T who could add new info.
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Old 29-03-23, 18:55
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Something to remember about official names in the Second World War, ....
... is to have a look at this table with British designations for US medium tanks and related AFVs.
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Old 29-03-23, 22:09
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Hereís the info provided by Mark Tonner many years ago

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...959#post101959
Following this link back and the other links, there is mention of research by Tony Viste in 2007 with a now defunct link. Does anyone know where this research is now?

With respect Fireflies and the Canadian army - see attached - which suggests 60 were allocated with 45 going to regiments and 15 reserve.

It is possible that Maurice's IC was in the reserve stock... certainly my VC appears to have arrived in NWE in Jan 45 and been passed from one delivery regiment to another until being issued to 21st CAR at the start of April 45 (possibly a replacement after losses in the Hochwald gap).

To be sure about Maurice's I suspect it needs to be tracked back through the records with the Elgin Regiment

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Old 29-03-23, 23:28
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To be sure about Maurice's I suspect it needs to be tracked back through the records with the Elgin Regiment
Hi Tim,

I will have a check and see if it turns up anywhere else but I did find it here with F Sqn.

https://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/o...eel_t12740/465

and here

https://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/o...el_t12740/1268

and here

https://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/o...el_t12740/1273


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Old 30-03-23, 09:22
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From what I found out Earlyer , they all ended up at Holten in the Netherlands , Mine is on that list , as well as the one Owned by Staman . somehow they all ended in Belgium .
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Old 30-03-23, 11:48
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Does anyone know where this research is now
I tried the Wayback Machine, but unfortunately it hasnít archived that page
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Old 30-03-23, 19:59
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Hi Tim,

I will have a check and see if it turns up anywhere else but I did find it with F Sqn.

Cheers

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In summary this gives the following... which I guess requires a dive into the 164 and E Sqn war diaries.

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Old 30-03-23, 20:11
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25th CADR were supplying the whole of 21st Army Group, both Canadian and British, I believe.
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Old 30-03-23, 20:58
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I tried the Wayback Machine, but unfortunately it hasnít archived that page
With so much crap being accessible for eternity, it is a shame this wasn't captured - plus Tony Vista has not been active on this forum for multiple years
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Old 31-03-23, 00:35
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With so much crap being accessible for eternity, it is a shame this wasn't captured - plus Tony Vista has not been active on this forum for multiple years
Maybe someone here knows him and can ask?
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