MLU FORUM  

Go Back   MLU FORUM > MILITARY VEHICLES > Post-war Military Vehicles

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 26-11-11, 04:35
Robin Craig's Avatar
Robin Craig Robin Craig is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Near Kingston, ON, Canada
Posts: 2,153
Default ANSUL fire extinguishers

Are or were all CF one blue?

What are the red ones?

R
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 26-11-11, 05:38
matthewq4b matthewq4b is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: St Albert
Posts: 80
Default

Hi Robin

The Ansul Extinguisher most commonly used in light CF vehicles is a Model 5 (5lbs) Red Line Cartridge Operated type Extinguisher. These are high pressure extinguishers.

The standard units are red in colour. The low Temp ones (-54C -65F) are blue.

These extinguishers along with thier brackets are still available new from Ansul.



Matthew
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 26-11-11, 05:45
Robin Craig's Avatar
Robin Craig Robin Craig is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Near Kingston, ON, Canada
Posts: 2,153
Default

well, let me ask this then, were there any markings on a CF Ansul that identify them as military?

R
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 26-11-11, 09:22
matthewq4b matthewq4b is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: St Albert
Posts: 80
Default

Not really no. They were just off the shelf Low Temp Model 5 Extinguishers.
Some may have got stenciled ( in white) while in service. But most I have seen were not

Matthew
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 26-11-11, 16:00
chris vickery's Avatar
chris vickery chris vickery is offline
3RD ECHELON WKSP
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Nipissing Ontario Canada
Posts: 2,955
Default

Hi Robin, there is a pletora of info on this subject here on MLU, as I opened up a discussion regarding the subject early last spring.
If you are looking for these, you are better off to find used ones. If they are for display only it doesn't really matter if they are serviceable or not. My local guy here in North Bay can refill them as the company services CFB North Bay...
Brand new ones would scare you($$$$$$)
__________________
3RD Echelon Wksp

1968 M274A5 Mule Baifield USMC
1966 M274A2 Mule BMY USMC
1958 M274 Mule Willys US Army
1970 M38A1 CDN3 70-08715 1 CSR
1981 MANAC 3/4T CDN trailer
1943 Converto Airborne Trailer
1983 M1009 CUCV

RT-524, PRC-77s,
and trucks and stuff and more stuff and and.......

OMVA, MVPA, G503, Steel Soldiers
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 26-11-11, 17:41
Jon Skagfeld's Avatar
Jon Skagfeld Jon Skagfeld is offline
M38A1 CDN3
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Owen Sound ON
Posts: 2,190
Default

I've got a red 5 # Ansul mounted in my M38A1CDN3, on the 7077 silver bracket.

That extinguisher fits that bracket which matches up with the mounting holes.

The blue ones are common in the blue fleet, LSVWs and MLVWs. Being bigger, I guess that they're 10 #.

Yeah, check out Chris's previous thread for more information.
__________________
PRONTO SENDS
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 26-11-11, 18:32
chris vickery's Avatar
chris vickery chris vickery is offline
3RD ECHELON WKSP
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Nipissing Ontario Canada
Posts: 2,955
Default

The blue ones are 5# as well. The red ones were commonly issued with the Iltis, hence the recent availability of red ones.
They are an interesting extinguisher. The top cap comes off (make sure it is discharged first!!!) and inside there is a small CO2 cartridge which supplies propellant to the dry mixture that is inside. Very sturdy construction. Like mentioned above, most professional fire supply companies can recharge them. I am going to have my Ansul done so at least it is functional and not just a decoration.
__________________
3RD Echelon Wksp

1968 M274A5 Mule Baifield USMC
1966 M274A2 Mule BMY USMC
1958 M274 Mule Willys US Army
1970 M38A1 CDN3 70-08715 1 CSR
1981 MANAC 3/4T CDN trailer
1943 Converto Airborne Trailer
1983 M1009 CUCV

RT-524, PRC-77s,
and trucks and stuff and more stuff and and.......

OMVA, MVPA, G503, Steel Soldiers
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 27-11-11, 02:19
maple_leaf_eh maple_leaf_eh is offline
Terry Warner
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Shouting at clouds
Posts: 3,081
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin Craig View Post
well, let me ask this then, were there any markings on a CF Ansul that identify them as military?

R
No markings, pure COTS. Our local surplus guy --- Wright near Kars had a few in his triwall boxes of surplus stuff last time I visited. There are differences between the wire frames needed for the military purchased ones and the current civilian catalogue. Ebay is not always your friend.
__________________
Terry Warner

- 74-????? M151A2
- 70-08876 M38A1
- 53-71233 M100CDN trailer

Beware! The Green Disease walks among us!
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 27-11-11, 14:04
Barry Churcher's Avatar
Barry Churcher Barry Churcher is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Castleton Ont.
Posts: 998
Default

Pictured below for reference is this fine example of the extinguisher in question. It was in an M38A1 belonging to some old guy that I ran into at the ultimate military vehicle experience in the Ottawa area. I hope this ultimate experience will be repeated again this year and not forced to cancel as before. Bob? The old guy was John or Jan or Jon or something.
Cheers,
Barry
Attached Thumbnails
Correct.jpg  
__________________

Every twenty minute job is one broken bolt away from a three day ordeal.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 27-11-11, 15:10
chris vickery's Avatar
chris vickery chris vickery is offline
3RD ECHELON WKSP
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Nipissing Ontario Canada
Posts: 2,955
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by maple_leaf_eh View Post
No markings, pure COTS. Our local surplus guy --- Wright near Kars had a few in his triwall boxes of surplus stuff last time I visited. There are differences between the wire frames needed for the military purchased ones and the current civilian catalogue. Ebay is not always your friend.
Sorry to disagree with you Terry, but I purchased the "civilian" bracket part#7077 Ansul which is the exact one that the CF uses.I bought it on eBay for
.99 cents and $10 shipping.
It is identical to one pulled off a 1970 M38A1.
__________________
3RD Echelon Wksp

1968 M274A5 Mule Baifield USMC
1966 M274A2 Mule BMY USMC
1958 M274 Mule Willys US Army
1970 M38A1 CDN3 70-08715 1 CSR
1981 MANAC 3/4T CDN trailer
1943 Converto Airborne Trailer
1983 M1009 CUCV

RT-524, PRC-77s,
and trucks and stuff and more stuff and and.......

OMVA, MVPA, G503, Steel Soldiers
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 27-11-11, 18:57
matthewq4b matthewq4b is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: St Albert
Posts: 80
Default

The Model 7077 Bracket has changed over the years. These extinguishers have been around for decades and have evolved, as was mentioned there is the early style with rounded bottom and the later style with the flat bottom. The old style bracket for the flot bottom captured the bottom of the extinguisher and had the retaining band near the top of the extinguisher it was stopped from sliding out the top by the hanging loop on the extinguiser. The new style bracket has the retaining band on the bottom and captures the extinguisher at the top by the hanging loop.
So there is not a military/civilian bracket but an early/late style bracket the mouning hole locations did not change.
Most all of our stuff would have the early style bracket. Unless it was replaced at some point with the newer style.

Matthew

Last edited by matthewq4b; 27-11-11 at 19:04.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 27-11-11, 20:49
Jon Skagfeld's Avatar
Jon Skagfeld Jon Skagfeld is offline
M38A1 CDN3
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Owen Sound ON
Posts: 2,190
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry Churcher View Post
Pictured below for reference is this fine example of the extinguisher in question. It was in an M38A1 belonging to some old guy that I ran into at the ultimate military vehicle experience in the Ottawa area. I hope this ultimate experience will be repeated again this year and not forced to cancel as before. Bob? The old guy was John or Jan or Jon or something.
Cheers,
Barry
Barry...you
__________________
PRONTO SENDS
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 27-11-11, 23:17
Barry Churcher's Avatar
Barry Churcher Barry Churcher is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Castleton Ont.
Posts: 998
Default

Jon, you are there.
Barry
__________________

Every twenty minute job is one broken bolt away from a three day ordeal.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 15:34.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Maple Leaf Up, 2003-2016