MLU FORUM  

Go Back   MLU FORUM > MILITARY VEHICLES > The Carrier Forum

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-02-16, 12:17
ajmac's Avatar
ajmac ajmac is offline
Alastair McMurray
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Lincoln, England
Posts: 433
Default Question: What vehicle is the Loyd Fuel Cap From?

The part number suggests its a Loyd specific part which I find very hard to believe. Does anyone recognise it? What do normal Carrier ones look like?
Attached Images
 
__________________
Alastair
Lincoln, UK.


Under Restoration:
1944 No2 MK2 Loyd Carrier - Tracked Towing
1944 Ford WOT6 Lorry


The Loyd on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-02-16, 18:44
Andrew Rowe Andrew Rowe is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Manawatu , New Zealand
Posts: 544
Default Loyd Fuel Tank Cap

Hi Alastair, we are looking at the fuel tank cap in your picture for the Loyd. Universal Carriers and Auss /NZ carriers are all brass construction, where as the Loyd has bakerlite grip moulded over the brass cap underneath exactly as the one in the picture.
__________________
Valentine MkV
Covenanter MkIV
Lynx MKI and MKII
Loyd Carrier / English / Candian / LP.
M3 Stuart
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-02-16, 20:50
Ben Ben is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 544
Default

If you had an original I could help you remanufacture them, should you want to.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-02-16, 23:15
ajmac's Avatar
ajmac ajmac is offline
Alastair McMurray
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Lincoln, England
Posts: 433
Default

Thanks chaps. The difficult part will be finding an original.... I think I know a man who might be able to help though.
__________________
Alastair
Lincoln, UK.


Under Restoration:
1944 No2 MK2 Loyd Carrier - Tracked Towing
1944 Ford WOT6 Lorry


The Loyd on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 13-02-16, 00:14
Lynn Eades Lynn Eades is offline
Bluebell
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Tauranga, New Zealand
Posts: 5,534
Default

The Carrier fuel cap (there are two types) could have originally come from the Vickers light tank, which will likely be from the engine manufacturer (of what ever the engine make is) (Gardiner????) A few years ago i stayed with a friend in Adelaide with Vickers Mk VIa tanks. The oil filler cap is the same cap as the one found on riveted carrier fuel tanks with the tank vent pipes.
__________________
Bluebell

Carrier Armoured O.P. No1 Mk3 W. T84991
Carrier Bren No2.Mk.I. NewZealand Railways. NZR.6.
Dodge WC55. 37mm Gun Motor Carriage M6
Jeep Mb #135668
So many questions....
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 13-02-16, 00:19
Lynn Eades Lynn Eades is offline
Bluebell
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Tauranga, New Zealand
Posts: 5,534
Default

The Brit / Can carrier fuel cap (there are two types) could have originally come from the Vickers light tank, which will likely be from the engine manufacturer (of what ever the engine make is) (Gardiner????) A few years ago i stayed with a friend in Adelaide with Vickers Mk VIa tanks. The oil filler cap is the same cap as the one found on riveted carrier fuel tanks with the tank vent pipes.
__________________
Bluebell

Carrier Armoured O.P. No1 Mk3 W. T84991
Carrier Bren No2.Mk.I. NewZealand Railways. NZR.6.
Dodge WC55. 37mm Gun Motor Carriage M6
Jeep Mb #135668
So many questions....
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 13-02-16, 00:40
Richard Farrant's Avatar
Richard Farrant Richard Farrant is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Kent, England
Posts: 3,634
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynn Eades View Post
The Brit / Can carrier fuel cap (there are two types) could have originally come from the Vickers light tank, which will likely be from the engine manufacturer (of what ever the engine make is) (Gardiner????) A few years ago i stayed with a friend in Adelaide with Vickers Mk VIa tanks. The oil filler cap is the same cap as the one found on riveted carrier fuel tanks with the tank vent pipes.

Lynn,
The MkVIa had a Meadows engine.
__________________
Richard

1943 Bedford QLD lorry - 1941 BSA WM20 m/cycle - 1943 Daimler Scout Car Mk2
Member of MVT, IMPS, MVG of NSW, KVE and AMVCS
KVE President & KVE News Editor
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 13-02-16, 01:45
ajmac's Avatar
ajmac ajmac is offline
Alastair McMurray
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Lincoln, England
Posts: 433
Default

I've been digging through some tanks I have and some photos of originals. As with most Loyd parts there is an early and late version of tanks and fillers, the later ones being simplified. It looks like the cap is all metal on the later type. The photo will not post from this iPad, I'll do it tomorrow!
__________________
Alastair
Lincoln, UK.


Under Restoration:
1944 No2 MK2 Loyd Carrier - Tracked Towing
1944 Ford WOT6 Lorry


The Loyd on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 13-02-16, 03:40
jack neville jack neville is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: leopold, victoria
Posts: 1,019
Default

Looks similar to Fordson WOT radiator cap.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 13-02-16, 05:55
colin jones's Avatar
colin jones colin jones is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 1,810
Default

Hello all, I thought I'd just chime in here and rule out the Vickers Tank. The first photo is off a carrier tank I have but I'm sure it's just a replacement off an old truck radiator of fuel tank and the next two are on my Vickers and interestingly one is the rear fuel cap and the other is the oil but are basically the same.
Attached Thumbnails
IMG_4643.jpg   IMG_4645.jpg   IMG_4646.jpg  
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 13-02-16, 08:45
Ben Ben is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 544
Default

The Vickers type are the same design as the early and MK1 carrier, commonality of design makes sense. Unusual for a British design (said only half jokingly)
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 13-02-16, 08:51
tankbarrell tankbarrell is offline
Adrian Barrell
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Suffolk, UK
Posts: 843
Default

The more common cap was a commercial cap used on all sorts of things, not just vehicles.
__________________
Adrian Barrell
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 13-02-16, 09:17
ajmac's Avatar
ajmac ajmac is offline
Alastair McMurray
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Lincoln, England
Posts: 433
Default



Later simplified fuel tank with what may be an original cap.
Attached Thumbnails
24894321471_66d681a483.jpg  
__________________
Alastair
Lincoln, UK.


Under Restoration:
1944 No2 MK2 Loyd Carrier - Tracked Towing
1944 Ford WOT6 Lorry


The Loyd on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 13-02-16, 16:15
rob love rob love is offline
carrier mech
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Shilo MB, the armpit of Canada
Posts: 7,517
Default

Also looks similar to the M135 radiator cap.
Attached Thumbnails
deuce rad cap.jpg  
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 14-02-16, 07:28
Andrew Rowe Andrew Rowe is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Manawatu , New Zealand
Posts: 544
Default Fuel Caps Various

See the pictures. Here we have Loyd , Canadian , English , Auss/NZ LP carriers
Cheers Andrew.
Attached Thumbnails
DSCF5439.jpg   DSCF5440.jpg  
__________________
Valentine MkV
Covenanter MkIV
Lynx MKI and MKII
Loyd Carrier / English / Candian / LP.
M3 Stuart
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 14-02-16, 09:25
Lynn Eades Lynn Eades is offline
Bluebell
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Tauranga, New Zealand
Posts: 5,534
Default

And to round out the Bren carrier caps here are the caps from the British carrier fuel tanks, that don't have the vent tubes.
Attached Thumbnails
fuel caps 012.jpg  
__________________
Bluebell

Carrier Armoured O.P. No1 Mk3 W. T84991
Carrier Bren No2.Mk.I. NewZealand Railways. NZR.6.
Dodge WC55. 37mm Gun Motor Carriage M6
Jeep Mb #135668
So many questions....
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 20-02-16, 18:51
Michael R. Michael R. is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,154
Default

Alastair, I believe the image you posted is copied, cropped and enlarged from Loyd Carrier image # 08 of the Ford Canada test sample Loyd, 01 May, 1943.
Attached Thumbnails
Loyd fuel caps May, 1943 Canada Ford factory.jpg  
Attached Images
 
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 20-02-16, 19:13
eddy8men eddy8men is offline
AKA Rick Wedlock
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: manchester
Posts: 715
Default

my cromwell has the same brass fuel cap
__________________
_______________________
1941 mk1 mortar Carrier
1941 Mk1* Carrier
1942 Mk1* Carrier
1943 T16 Carrier
1945 Mk3 Dingo
1941 Mk3 Covenanter
1941 Mk4 Churchill AVRE (now sold)
1944 Mk6 Cromwell (now sold)
1952 Mk3 Centurion
1952 ARV Centurion
1952 ARV Centurion
1953 Mk3 Centurion (breaking)
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 20-02-16, 21:15
Lynn Eades Lynn Eades is offline
Bluebell
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Tauranga, New Zealand
Posts: 5,534
Default

Rick, Which brass one? Do you mean the notched (Loyd) one that Alistair / Michael R posted?
__________________
Bluebell

Carrier Armoured O.P. No1 Mk3 W. T84991
Carrier Bren No2.Mk.I. NewZealand Railways. NZR.6.
Dodge WC55. 37mm Gun Motor Carriage M6
Jeep Mb #135668
So many questions....
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 21-02-16, 00:11
eddy8men eddy8men is offline
AKA Rick Wedlock
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: manchester
Posts: 715
Default

hi lynn
i meant the cap with 4 raised lugs on, the cromwell has a multitool in the ces for undoing it, the ferret and probably most other afv's of that era have the same cap
__________________
_______________________
1941 mk1 mortar Carrier
1941 Mk1* Carrier
1942 Mk1* Carrier
1943 T16 Carrier
1945 Mk3 Dingo
1941 Mk3 Covenanter
1941 Mk4 Churchill AVRE (now sold)
1944 Mk6 Cromwell (now sold)
1952 Mk3 Centurion
1952 ARV Centurion
1952 ARV Centurion
1953 Mk3 Centurion (breaking)
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 21-02-16, 00:40
Lynn Eades Lynn Eades is offline
Bluebell
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Tauranga, New Zealand
Posts: 5,534
Default

So just for clarity, you mean the centre two in Andrew's 4 cap photo?
If so, that would mean the cap is common to the Bren carrier, the MkVIa Vickers light tank (plus, maybe, other models), as well as the Cromwell. That's a very un British like standardization?
__________________
Bluebell

Carrier Armoured O.P. No1 Mk3 W. T84991
Carrier Bren No2.Mk.I. NewZealand Railways. NZR.6.
Dodge WC55. 37mm Gun Motor Carriage M6
Jeep Mb #135668
So many questions....
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 21-02-16, 08:55
Paul Dutton Paul Dutton is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: NORTH WEST UK
Posts: 256
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynn Eades View Post
So just for clarity, you mean the centre two in Andrew's 4 cap photo?
If so, that would mean the cap is common to the Bren carrier, the MkVIa Vickers light tank (plus, maybe, other models), as well as the Cromwell. That's a very un British like standardization?
Not really mate, we British probably made them with different threads and pitch!!!😵
__________________
BETTER TO BURN OUT THAN FADE AWAY.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 21-02-16, 09:02
tankbarrell tankbarrell is offline
Adrian Barrell
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Suffolk, UK
Posts: 843
Default

As I said much earlier in this thread, that cap was a standard commercial cap and used for many things, not just vehicles.
__________________
Adrian Barrell
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 21-02-16, 12:45
eddy8men eddy8men is offline
AKA Rick Wedlock
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: manchester
Posts: 715
Default

that's right lynn it's the centre two in andrew's post.
__________________
_______________________
1941 mk1 mortar Carrier
1941 Mk1* Carrier
1942 Mk1* Carrier
1943 T16 Carrier
1945 Mk3 Dingo
1941 Mk3 Covenanter
1941 Mk4 Churchill AVRE (now sold)
1944 Mk6 Cromwell (now sold)
1952 Mk3 Centurion
1952 ARV Centurion
1952 ARV Centurion
1953 Mk3 Centurion (breaking)
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 22-02-16, 19:42
ajmac's Avatar
ajmac ajmac is offline
Alastair McMurray
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Lincoln, England
Posts: 433
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael R. View Post
Alastair, I believe the image you posted is copied, cropped and enlarged from Loyd Carrier image # 08 of the Ford Canada test sample Loyd, 01 May, 1943.
It's a Canadian photo, but is actually an M.B.Wild manufactured Loyd TT WD No: T136480 that was sent to Canada for evaluation.
__________________
Alastair
Lincoln, UK.


Under Restoration:
1944 No2 MK2 Loyd Carrier - Tracked Towing
1944 Ford WOT6 Lorry


The Loyd on Facebook
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
M3 Fuel Tank Cover Question Andrew Rowe The Armour Forum 4 05-12-15 05:37
Another Ferret (fuel tank) question.......... Chris Preston The Restoration Forum 2 30-05-15 22:03
Loyd Carrier cooling question. Rob Beale The Carrier Forum 4 03-11-08 23:56
C15 fuel tank filler Question jim sewell The Softskin Forum 7 08-03-07 11:25
Ford fuel pump question Jordan Baker The Restoration Forum 0 20-07-04 08:17


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 01:42.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Maple Leaf Up, 2003-2016