MK 2 carrier jack.

[Ron Pier]

Could someone kindly post a picture (and make) of the type of jack I need to look for, for my MK2 Canadian. Or the British version.

Cheers Ron

[Lynn Eades]

Hi Ron here are some pictures of a Canadian one, courtesy of a Canadian forum member.
I don't know what the British carriers came with.

[Ron Pier]

Thanks Lynn but I have one of those. It's the bottle jack I was referring to.

Ron

[rob love]

It can have either a Walker 3 ton model 925 or the manual also lists the auto specialty brand. Here is a link to a thread that covers the jack: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...73&postcount=6

Auto Specialties was out of Windsor ON. Here is a link to a site about them: http://www.internationalmetropolis.c...alties-mfg-co/

While Bruce states that the proper jack should have the large button on top, I note the manual drawings show the normal size button.

The Walker 925 is somewhat common, and was used both commercially and on many US military vehicles over the years. They have not been produced for quite a while, but rebuild kits are still available for them.

[Ron Pier]

Thanks very much for that Rob. I tried a forum search for 'carrier jack' but got no result.

Cheers Ron

[Ron Pier]

Does anyone know what bottle jack a British carrier would have used?

Ron

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by Ron Pier

Does anyone know what bottle jack a British carrier would have used?

Ron

Hi Ron,
I am pretty sure the jack on a Dingo was termed a "Light Tank" jack and was also seen on the Vickers Light Tanks,, so probably the one issued to British Carriers .... unless someone knows different !

[eddy8men]

is the british jack the same as the one issued as part of the CES on the 4 tonner (the one with the square base)?

[Lynn Eades]

Hi Ron, This is the Jack used on British MkI carriers (mechanical screw type)
They used the bracket which was made to suit them. The Canadian jacking block evolved to fit their adopted hydraulic jack into the original mechanical jack bracket. That is how I see the evolution of it anyhow.

These are (were) made by various manufacturers. This one is Ern Lake. I also have a Britool one. Some are steel bodied, this one is alloy with a chequer plate base. They are variously dated
They are rated at 4 ton and 4 1/2 ton. there is an extension that clips on the top (I need one)
They come with a handle, and a two piece extension (fairly crude) I believe the early carriers had a longer single piece extension (which made it shorter than the two piece if you follow)
They lift higher than you might first think, and yes, it could be the same as the 4 tonner? (truck?)
There are different shaped ones as well.

[Ron Pier]

Thanks chaps and especially Lynn for the pictures. I'd be more than happy to own a British 4 ton jack for my carrier. At least I know what to look for at W&P or elsewhere!
Cheers Ron

[Richard Farrant]

Here is a photo from a British Carrier manual ;

[Ron Pier]

Cheers Richard. Proof conclusive. Ron

[Ron Pier]

I've finally acquired an Ern Lake jack for my carrier. I assume it should be painted green? Although I see that Lilibets jack is red.
Also I'm missing the wooden operating handle if anyone has one to sell.

Ron

[Ron Pier]

OK! Help required with handle...Lynn? The handle that came with this jack has no square on the business end and a number on the wooden shaft end. Any ideas please, or pictures of the correct part. Ron

[Lynn Eades]

Ron, Sorry, I don't know. I believe there was a one piece extension for the early Brens, but by the time of Bren No2 MkI, they had gone over to a two piece extension.
I will have to hunt for pictures of the two piece and handle (all steel) if anyone else wants to jump in with photos, go for it. The stowage on the carriers stayed the same for quite a while, with the steel box pockets on the Canadian Universal Mk1* staying with the same configuration (even though they moved under the battery box)

[Ben]

Hi Ron

There are two types of 4 ton jacks that fit that (British) pattern. The first and it seems the more common is the type you have got. On a carrier I believe the handle is in three pieces and this comes apart and is stored in the boxes on the rear deck, there's a strap for stopping them coming out. There's also a cap that fits on the top section, I've attached a picture of what I believe to be a complete carrier set up.

There is a second type that has the same base dimensions, operating procedure etc but is an entirely different shape. This type has a folding top rather than one that slides off. My one shown below is 1/43 dated and has a slightly different handle fixing, I'm not sure about this specific handle set up.

I have seen period pictures of both types stowed on carriers, the second one seems to be the standard type seen stowed on the wing in period photos of Dingos (the manual shows another type!!) the Chilwell carrier workshop manual shows the second type used whilst explaining how to jack and remove the suspension on a carrier.

Yours looks like a good find, you need to look out for a handle and top to complete it for the carrier. Mine is not dated but I've seen them dated into the 60's

Hope that helps

Ben

[Ron Pier]

Thanks Ben. That is exactly the information/picture I need. I'm now looking for that thee part handle.....Or more likely have to get them made. Ron

[Ben]

Ron.

Beaulieu auto jumble..............

Ben

[Ron Pier]

Well I'll be ensconced on my stall at the Netley bike jumble Ben. If you go to Beaulieu and see anything....Please grab it for me. Ron

[Lynn Eades]

Ron, Mine is exactly as per Ben's first picture.
If you happen to find a one piece extension (it will be shorter than the over all length of the two piece) I'm interested.

[Ben]

I'll keep an eye out Ron. Unfortunately I can't make beaulieu this year.

[Phillip]

Ben,

The three piece jack handle is exactly the same as that found in the CES for the Ferret (although the jack is different). I might be so bold as to suggest that the handle may be used in other 1950's era vehicles - try Marcus Glen or similar.

Regards

[Marc van Aalderen]

Hi Ron,

Here some of the jacks I have accumulated over the years for my vehicles and collection.

Ferret with wheel brace. This brace/handle does indeed look the same as the Brit Carrier set.


From left: Daimler Dingo & Armoured Car. One unknown. Brit Carrier. One other unknown.


Dingo/DAC but with handle.


I have the handle on loan to copy as none of the three Dingo/DAC jacks I have came with the handle.

@Ben. I would love to see a scan of the Dingo jack in your manual. I have quite a few of the manuals and a parts lists for Daimler but don't remember ever seeing a jack pictured? Thanks.

If anybody has an idea what the two unknown jacks are for/off I would be happy to hear it. Thanks! More photos in next post.

Cheers,

[Marc van Aalderen]

[Marc van Aalderen]

And from the other side.

[Lynn Eades]

Marc, thanks for posting. I see the small square based one is rated at 2 ton.
This has me wondering what it might be from. The things that come to mind are; Loyd, Tankette, D/dingo. What jacks go with those vehicles? for the higher rated ones What came with the various Vickers-Carden-Loyd light tanks of the different marks?
There must have been some "cross use". The various extensions indicate adaption.

[Ron Pier]

Yes thanks for posting Mark. My Ern Lake carrier jack doesn't seem to have a date. Instead it has an MT number and crows foot. Apart from the handle, I'm also looking for the top extension cap. Ron

[kevin powles]

Originally Posted by Richard Farrant

Here is a photo from a British Carrier manual ;

Gents, came across this jack, same as in the british manual, 4 ton Ern lake, had a smaller footprint than the Jack that fits in the rear deck of a mk1. Anyone know where the jacks stowed on a mortar carrier?.

[kevin powles]

Not dated but same jack

[Lynn Eades]

Kevin, It is a hydraulic jack (and jacking block) and they are stowed on top of the cam plate cover (in the right rear, up front next to the div. plate)
The jack handle is stowed up front in the left rear (also next to the div plate) with the megaphone and aiming rods.