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Old 08-07-04, 06:00
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Default C8A HUM s/n 3844536696 1944

Original title: GENERAL MOTORS WWII HEAVY DUTY WIRELESS TRUCK on Ebay

Haven't we seen this one before?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2255725076

No connection with seller, yada, yada...

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Old 08-07-04, 06:11
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Greetings Don,

Looks like we're looking at the same things.

You know this vehicle??

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Old 08-07-04, 21:01
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Default They just sold a Dingo

An earlier Ebay Item about a week ago. Don't think it sold on line but it did sell to a fellow in Ontario. Is this the museum at Fort Henry? Can they sell this stuff? or are they supposed to offer it to other museums? Since the taxpayer may have already paid for this thru Charitable tax reciepts?
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Old 09-07-04, 02:27
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Default Fort Henry????

Hi there

There are vehicles at Fort Henry?

It's just down Highway 2 from the Communications Museum at CFB Kingston so maybe that's where my confusion comes in.

The Comms museum is a CF museum, just like CFB Bordon, so maybe they can sell off vehicles.

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Old 09-07-04, 03:27
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Greetings,

Some of the museums are privately funded and therefore are able to sell to anyone. Not many of the military museums are government funded anymore. Even the museum at the armory here in Sudbury has no government funding--all private.

Apparently if the government funds the museum then there are many restrictions as to what can be displayed--ie mostly Canadian content, much like our "History TV". This obviously limits the display of Axis items.

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Old 09-07-04, 03:48
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Default Looks suspiciously like...

...a fellow named Frank Grant, at one point selling militaria near Acton, Ontario. If so (and Frank had a Heavy Utility Machinery ZL), then I sold him that chorehorse. Frank had quality stuff, but always asked the moon.

I don't think Fort Henry has anything to do with THAT Fort Henry.
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Old 14-07-04, 15:38
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Default Re: GENERAL MOTORS WWII HEAVY DUTY WIRELESS TRUCK on Ebay

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Haven't we seen this one before?
Yes, we have. You brought this MACH-ZL to our attention when it was first put up for auction during September 2001 by - or on behalf of - the owner, Frank Grant. The high bid, of 2, was US$10,100, which did not meet the reserve price.

Hurry up guys, only 13 hours left to empty the kids piggy banks!

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Old 02-08-04, 16:03
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Default Re: GENERAL MOTORS WWII HEAVY DUTY WIRELESS TRUCK on Ebay

In the rebound: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2259833665
"Now with a $1,000 discount!"

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Old 11-05-06, 09:57
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Default MP on Ebay

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I saw this on Ebay Item number: 4639596001

1944 GENERAL MOTORS MILITARY UTILITY WIRELESS TRUCK

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Old 11-05-06, 11:36
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Al, thanks for the heads up. Also see GENERAL MOTORS WWII HEAVY DUTY WIRELESS TRUCK on Ebay. It was first put up for auction in September 2001.

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Old 12-05-06, 21:29
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An arranged (by a phone call) visit to Limehouse will get you a look at this vehicle. Owned, of course by Frank Grant, marketed by his friend Ed who sells for Frank on E bay under the name "Fort Henry Antiques". This is about the fifth marketing try.
I know the complete history of the vehicle (having originally found it). Frank has extensive restoration work done on his vehicles to display them, which may account for the price.
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Old 15-05-06, 01:15
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I know the complete history of the vehicle (having originally found it).
Peter, could you share its history with us? Or at least some highlights?

Thanks!
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Old 15-05-06, 03:24
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Default HU-ZL

Hanno.....I sure am tempted...but will decline for now. Let's just say the vehicle was extensively restored although mostly complete when found, in a beautiful gloss dark green.
It's last big trip was Florida and back when the previous owner got married in the fifties.
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Old 20-06-06, 18:08
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I saw this on Ebay Item number: 4639596001

1944 GENERAL MOTORS MILITARY UTILITY WIRELESS TRUCK
Listing ended on May-20-06, with no bids made on the starting bid of US $16,750.00
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GENERAL MOTORS HEAVY DUTY UTILITY WIRELESS TRUCK

This is an authentic General Motors of Canada MILITARY TRUCK originally manufactured in Oshawa, Ontario, Canada in 1944. It is designated in vehicle code as CSA 1500wt.

This vehicle is the Chevrolet 15-cwt.designated as the Machinery ZL The purpose of this truck was to affect repairs in the field in the forward position.

This original truck was used by the Royal Canadian Electrical and Mechanical Engineers as a radio repair truck and served with the 4th Armoured Brigade in Normandy. Please note the truck's military unit designation's and serial number.

The truck has a 6 cylinder 85 hp general motors engine with four forward gears and one reverse. The original engine has been overhauled.

It comes completely equipped in its original configuration with all it’s interior canvas. It also has the original shelving, desks, stools, medical kits and rifle racks. Best of all it has the original electrical generator called a “chore horse” manufactured by Outboard Marine of Peterborough, Ontario.

For specific data re this 4 by 4 heavy utility truck please refer to page 48 Canadian Military Vehicle Series. Europe WW2, Canadian Military Historical Series 1978.

As the photos show this rare truck is in excellent museum- showing condition. It has been stored indoors and not used. Title to be established via the Bill of Sale from the museum that owns the truck.

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Old 20-06-06, 21:06
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In Ebay: Heavy Utility for auction..... Colin Macgregor Stevens wrote:
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I do not believe I know of this particular C8A HU-ZL. This wireless repair vehicle model is VERY rare. Four days ago I dropped into Williams Lake, BC and visited with Roy Wellburn. His original and complete HU-ZL (ex-Western Command) is still there in his collection.

"Wheels and Tracks" reported an HU-ZL derelict in California (a small photo was shown in the letters to the Editor), and I believe I heard of one in Europe. The Canadian War Museum traded off their HU-ZL (a rust bucket) to Andre Gibeault of Montreal who was rebuilding it. The ebay one may be the 4th or 5th known survivor.
...and Brian Gough wrote:
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The MACH ZL in California (W&T 44, p.45) is still owned by Mark Coombs of San Diego and is being restored. It is a ZL-2, built May 11, 1944 on contract LV2611.

Another MACH ZL was identified here in southern Ontario by Peter Ford (INFOEX), owned by Frank Grant in Limehouse. It is also a ZL-2, built May 15, 1944 on the same contract. I have never seen this one and don't know of its condition. Possibly it is the one listed for sale.

The Canadian War Museum MACH ZL "rust bucket" that went to Andre Gibeault is now completely restored and like all of Andre's CMP restorations could best be described as stunning. This is a very early model, possibly built in March 1942.
On the subject of survivors, I just came across an old ad in Keep Them Rolling's newsletter "Top Secret" of June 2002, where a member offers for sale an unrestored 1944 Chevrolet C8A MACH ZL2 for €7.000,- (I don't know if it was sold and for how much).

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Old 21-06-06, 00:03
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As for the `quality`of this particular truck, I have seen it up close and personal...
It may certainly be rare, but as for a collector, as always, buyer beware.
This particular veh is not as nice as the photos, nor is it original in many ways and I am sure the owner has some convoluted story to go with it... The resto job is shit.
As for Fort Henry Antiques, it is merely the nom de plume as a cover for the owner who sells through a 3rd party. Maybe theres a reason???
Some intel for those so inclined, my 2 cents worth.
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Old 17-03-07, 01:40
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Default Chevy 15ctw from Toronto on Ebay!

Nice one!!

http://cgi.ebay.ca/1944-GENERAL-MOTO...94719271QQrdZ1
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Old 17-03-07, 03:20
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Default Awright......

.....who bought it with "Buy Now"....???

Listing has been removed??????

What gives??

Bob

PS Shrapnel....... what toys are you playing with????
I'm located East Ottawa...... will have to get together.
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Old 17-03-07, 03:27
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..... the same old wireless truck # 280094719271.....?

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Old 17-03-07, 03:57
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It's a Heavy Utility and not a 15 cwt. Try this link.
EBAY link
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Old 17-03-07, 17:12
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Default HUW for sale on EBay

Hi Guys

One of the guys in my local club spotted this one and dropped me a line. Yes, I know that it has been listed before but might fit somebodys needs. The normal no relation ship with owner.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...094719271&rd=1

see other tread http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...&threadid=8278

Anybody know what the story is on this one.
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Old 17-03-07, 23:46
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Anybody know what the story is on this one.
Phil,

See GENERAL MOTORS WWII HEAVY DUTY WIRELESS TRUCK on Ebay and follow the links for some background info.

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Old 19-03-07, 22:23
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I believe I answered questions about this one on MLU last time it went up on ebay.
Being sold by a 3rd party seller for the owner, not as nice as it looks. I have seen it first hand, not worth the $$$ IMHO.
And.... as with all the vehicles this guy has there's a story that goes along with every one of them...
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Old 20-03-07, 03:35
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C'mon Chris let's hear the rest of the story. What about the transport yard on Trafalgar Rd.???
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Old 20-03-07, 15:45
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Follow the link that Hanno has posted. Been discussed before, many times. Same truck, same price, same guy - Frank Grant, yada yada... :dh:
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Old 20-03-07, 18:30
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Good one Chris! I love the yada yada.
You've got to admit he's persistant.
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Default HUW on ebay

This HUW is for sale on ebay. Or is it a machinery ZL? It's supposedly from a museum but they're confused about what it is. The windows are made from a roll of poly and the mickey mouse ears camo job leaves a little to be desired.
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Old 06-09-07, 14:41
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This vehicle shows up regularly on EBay, always from the same seller, so I have to assume that it doesn't sell with the consensus among the EBay community being that it isn't the opening bid.
See this thread for one series of comments and links to earlier posts. http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ght=fort+henry
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Old 07-09-07, 22:22
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........this truck has more mileage on Ebay than on the original 65 years old odometer......

Too bad it is so close to Ottawa...... an easy trailering job...hihihi

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Old 08-09-07, 01:10
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Dave, I wouldn't fault the cam job. It's not meant to be mickey-mouse and the black is applied close to the way it was in WW2. The only 'flaws' are that it should be dark grey rather than black and it was seldom applied over olive drab on a HUP/HUW manufactured this late in the war. The Z/L on the door is pure fiction. A W/T (meaning it was equiped for a wireless installation) or an S (for suppressed ignition) would be more accurate.
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