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CMP total production figures?
Question: How many CMPs were built during WWII? I've seen two different numbers quoted, 390,000 and 410,00. Are either correct? Is the difference due to knock down versions exported from Canada? Any info appreciated. Thanks, Derek.
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Re: Total number of CMPs?
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Maybe I'm getting this mixed up with the Canadian total military vehicle production figure. OK, guys... let's hit the reference books and hopefully post a definitive reply to Derek's question.
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canada's fighting vehicles
europe 1943-1945 by: W.A.Gregg in the preface is a table which says: 409.936 cmp(including trailers) grand total canadian warproduction: 857.970 vehicles,carriers,tanks etc.
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900,000 military vehicles
In Blueprint for Victory, Gregg states that over 800,000 military transport vehicles were produced in Canada during the war as well as 50,000 armored fighting vehicles. He also states that 900,000 military vehicles were produced as well as 1,700,000 small arms.
Chevrolet made over 300,000 military vehicles. The 100,000th Ford military vehicle was a 12 cab. Canada used 168,000 vehicles of which 34,000 remained in Canada. In Canadian use, there was one vehicle for every three soldiers. The Americans had one for every 5 to 7 soldiers and the Brits had less than that. Canada was the most highly mechanized force in the war. He also says that 15,000 of the best overseas vehicles were selected to return to Canada. They made it to Ontario then most of them were sent to other UN countries
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the number of trailers is stated to be 19.663.
the book gives 38 different types of trailers.
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Figures
I am not sure how these figures are going to come out so here goes:
TOTAL CANADIAN MILITARY PATTERN TRUCKS [per Dr Gregg] 8 CWT. 4 x 2 9,837 HEAVY UTILITY 4 x 4 12,967 15 CWT. 4 x 2 34,195 15 CWT. 4 x 4 69,227 30 CWT. 4 x 4 19,319 3 TON 4 x 2 6,000 3 TON 4 x 4 209,004 FAT 4 x 4 22,891 3 TON 6 x 4 [FORD] 4,123 3 TON 6 x 6 [CHEV C60X] 2,710 TRAILERS 19,663 TOTAL 409,936 ALTERNATIVE C.M.P. PRODUCTION FIGURES TYPE DRIVE MODELS QUANTITY 8-cwt. 4 x 2 C.8, F.8 937 8-cwt. 4 x 4 C.8A, C.8AX*?, F.8A 12,967 15-cwt. 4 x 2 C.15, F.15, C8AX*? 34,195 15-cwt. 4 x 4 C.15A, F.15A 69,227 30-cwt. 4 x 4 C.30, F.30 19,319 3-ton 4 x 4 C.60S, C.60L, F.60S, F.60L 209,004 3-ton 6 x 4 F.60H 4,123 3-ton 6 x 6 C.60X 2,710 FAT 4 x 4 C.-G.T., F.-G.T. 22,891 Rear engined chassis 4 x 4 Ford 9,494 Armoured car 4 x 4 Fox 1,506 Recce car 4 x 4 Otter 1,761 Scout car 4 x 4 Ford Lynx 3,255 Armoured truck 4 x 4 C.15-TA 3,961 Trailers 19,663 * I estimate C8AX production at over 905 units. GM of Canada also supplied Ford Motor Company of Canada with 11,516 sets of fabricated cab sheet metal. TOTAL MODIFIED CONVENTIONAL PATTERN TRUCKS 15 CWT. 4 x 2 88,096 30 CWT. 4 x 2 21,188 3 TON 4 x 2 197,073 TOTAL 306,357 TOTAL ARMOURED VEHICLES UNIVERSAL CARRIERS 28,992 [FORD] WINDSOR CARRIERS 5,000 [FORD] ARMORED CARS 1,506 [G.M. FOX] LIGHT RECCE. CARS 1,761 [G.M. OTTER] SCOUT CARS 3,255 [FORD LYNX] ARMOURED TRUCKS 3,961 [CHEV/FORD C-15TA/F-15TA] VALENTINE TANKS 1,420 TANK CRUISER RAM 1,948 SELF-PROP 25 PDR SEXTON 2,122 TANK CRUISER GRIZZLY 189 TANK COMMANDER O.P. 84 TANK AA 20MM QUAD SKINK 3 TOTAL 50,241 STATION WAGONS, STAFF CARS AND MISCELLANEOUS 4 x 2 81,942 [BUICK, CHEVROLET, CHRYSLER, FORD] Last edited by David_Hayward (RIP); 04-06-07 at 22:45. |
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Chev Truck Production
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1940 31,097 1941 67,167 1942 78,821 1943 61,367 1944 52,487 1945 42,361 with CMP production ending a"few days" after 11th September 1945. GENERAL MOTORS OF CANADA PRODUCTION FIGURES APRIL 1 1940 TO MARCH 31 1944 YEAR CHEV & G.M.C.M.T. ARMY DESIGN TRUCKS WORKSHOPS STORES LORRIES WRECKERS SHOPS 6 X 6 [C.60X] TOTAL BY YEARS 1940 7,368 10,291 NIL NIL NIL NIL 17,659 1941 20,471 30,913 259 273 268 NIL 52,184 1942 16,370 59,885 187 197 183 418 77,240 1943 11,976 47,953 181 70 159 809 61,148 1944 3,795 9,977 NIL NIL 90 386 14,248 TOTAL 59,980 159,019 627 540 700 1,613 222,479 INCLUDED IN THIS TOTAL WERE THE FOLLOWING SHIPMENTS AUSTRALIA 25,352 NEW ZEALAND 1,457 INDIA 69,279 SOUTH AFRICA 2,497 MALAYA 72 TOTAL 98,657 I have the Walkerville 216 engine production figures by month, and by Model Year to end of 1945, plus CKD production. I also have the total shipped CMP and MCP, plus SWs and cars shipped to the UK to May 1945 but have not been through the, yet to break them down but it's not relevant here. Last edited by David_Hayward (RIP); 04-06-07 at 22:45. |
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Shipments back
Further to David's comments (very interesting), from the DND Report I have a copy of:
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David
Is the DND Report British or Canadian (I suspect Canadian)? Are you talking of shipping from Europe or the UK? Was there any mention of the Ford GPA in the report? Ian |
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Extracts
From the Canadian CMHQ Report to 30th April 1945:
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David
Great to catch up. I have had a look through the following site and do not see the report you mention; http://www.dnd.ca/DHH/history_archiv...hq_e.asp?cat=1 Do you have a report number, title and date (if not 30th April 1945)? (Another five rolls of DND microfilm have just arrived from Canada) Ian |
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Report
Clive sent it to me from the National Archives, so it's buried in the NA it seems!
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GM Production and Serial Numbers
This may have been posted before but worth repeating. Has all wartime production included. Looks like a hardworking Kiwi has put it together.
http://www.gregwapling.com/hotrod/ch...dian-chev.html Lang |
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Looks interesting
Hi Lang
Interesting data base, now I'll have see how the numbers off my engInes fit. Cheers Phil
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Actually, that data is the fruit of David Hayward's work - scroll to the very bottom of the page. David was MLU's resident historian on Chevrolet and other manufacturers.
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Thanks Hanno
I saw all the engine numbers for what looks like current NZ restored vehicles and assumed it was from there. Maybe they have built on David's great work. Lang |
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HUP and related vehicle production numbers?
I can't recall seeing numbers for the various variants of CMP HUP vans. What I have gleaned is that there were about 13,000 or so made and the HUP was the most numerous followed by the HUW then ambulances (190 or so?) and even fewer of the computers, workshops and staff cars.
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Ford Companies’ War Effort
The last section of Saunder's "Ford at War" book lists "Brief Statistics of some of the British Empire - Ford Companies’ War Effort"
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Also see the thread Australian Production Numbers:
http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2247
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