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New M38A1 CDN2
Picked up my new 1967 M38A1CDN2 today. It was driven into place and parked under a trap in the forest for 24 years. Quite good shape considering, everything there except the driver's seat and spare tire. Ran good when parked.
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Interesting find you have there.
There has to be more to the story about how you came to own it, do spill the beans, i'm intrigued. R |
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Tac signs, any other ID?
Also, try to establish CFR and Serial Number, then forward info plus pic to Frank von Rosensteil whose post is about 7 down, entitled M38A1, Cdn2, Cdn3.
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Nice to note the 3 colour camo intact and relatively unfaded thanks to being tarped over for 20+ years.
Should help me with the paint job on mine, forthcoming.
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This was the Jeep that was on the Western Command homepage.
The seller purchased the Jeep in 1988 and shortly after, parked the Jeep on wood blocks and covered it with two tarps and then moved out of the country. It was in full running condition at the time he parked it on Bowen Island (he drove it down to an Oregon MV Show in 1988). Recently the seller wanted to dispose of it as he was selling the property the Jeep was on and had not seen the Jeep in 24 years. After a significant number of email exchanges (as the seller lives in Singapore), we worked out a price for the Jeep sight unseen. Yesterday I went with two friends on a short ferry ride, luckily met a tow truck driver on the ferry and after about an 8 hour day including 2 hours with the tow truck, I had the jeep sitting in my garage. It is very complete including all of the data and wheelhouse patent plates and full softtop with doors, the only items missing are one rear lifting shackle, driver's side seat, and spare tire (the seller is sure he has the spare tire and seat and will look for it when he gets here in May). It will need a complete mechanical overhaul and new floors. Not bad for a "Forest Find". Other stuff I know about it:
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Two thoughts go through my mind. Lucky you! and What a disgraceful way to treat a valuable running vehicle!
I wouldn't worry about the German marked part. Somethings are generic enough that they would have gotten into the supply system under normal circumstances. A piece of safety glass could have been shipped to Canada and cut to fit almost anything. It might even have been done at a glass shop in Vancouver. By the end of their service lives, the expected stocks of parts would have been exhausted and local purchase permitted. Rob Love will have stories on this topic, I'm sure. If the markings are genuine, you might get lucky flogging this vehicle back to the last unit. Very few authenticated examples get to make a round trip, and you may find a very willing buyer.
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Foot type window washer was not a Cdn 3 thing. There were kits around for this, but it (and the column mounted horn button) were just some kind of shortcut, and not by the book. Aircleaner on the Cdn2 and Cdn3 were the same.
The glass was locally procured; not sure why you would have it from W Germany. Get scotty to do a search on the EDR viewer and he can get you the history of the Jeep. |
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My first CDN2 washer and button look like this:
The new CDN2 washer squirter looks like this (shown to the left of the hood hinge in the black area), has a foot mounted rubber pump on the extreme left drivers side foot area and has a white coloured round plastic bottle near the solid state turn signal box: The new CDN2 windshield markings: Last edited by rick25; 19-04-12 at 05:36. |
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Congratulations on a nice find. My brother lives on that island and it isn't very big. I will have to give him a slap and tell him to keep his eyes open.
Cheers, Barry
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Got home from work today and removed the dipstick to find a crankcase full of decent looking and smelling oil so i decided to pull the plugs and shoot some liquid wrench down into the cylinders and, not having really any patience, I gave the fan pulley a spin. Great news for me as the crank pulley spun freely. I also noted that while my parts cdn2 has a military junior oil filter, the new jeep has a cuno. Was there any deciding factor for this or was it random at the rebuild factory?
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How did the plugs look?
I would maybe take the dist cap off and have a look and see whats up inside. I think the carb would probably give you some trouble being all dried out but who knows... At the very least, if I were to try running it, I would definately disconnect the fuel line at the fuel pump and plumb in a gas can to start it, that way no old or bad fuel going through the carb. You never know, it may start right up. I bought a M37 a few years back that had been sitting for many years since being surped in the early 1980s. The owner couldn't get it to run at all and I bought it for a song. It took me about 5 minutes to figure out what was wrong with it. I pulled the cap and it and the rotor were baffed beyond belief. A new cap and rotor, a fresh gas can and a charged pair of batteries and she fired right up. Granted, it ran like crap because of all the old crap in the carb, cylinders etc but that was fixed in about 15 minutes running on high idle with the throttle lock pulled on and a quart of transmission fluid applied generously down the intake. She smoked like hell but once that tranny fluid did its job, the longer it ran the better it ran. I never did pull the heads or anything, I did a basic tuneup with plugs, wires cap and rotor and for good measure rebuilt the carb. It only got beter after that.
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3RD Echelon Wksp 1968 M274A5 Mule Baifield USMC 1966 M274A2 Mule BMY USMC 1958 M274 Mule Willys US Army 1970 M38A1 CDN3 70-08715 1 CSR 1981 MANAC 3/4T CDN trailer 1943 Converto Airborne Trailer 1983 M1009 CUCV RT-524, PRC-77s, and trucks and stuff and more stuff and and....... OMVA, MVPA, G503, Steel Soldiers |
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Jr military was the standard in the 60s and 70s. The cuno was a throwback from the 50s. Surprising that would be on a late model jeep like that, but there was some interchange of early engines into later trucks. How many belts are your pulleys made for? Two were the early engines, 3 were the later engines.
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It has the 3 groove pulley, upon closer inspection, it would appear that the cuno is not factory mounted.
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Why talk about it when you could post a photo?
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No access to the good EDR right now. This is all I can get:
CFR Information CFR No 07809 CFR Year 1967 Serial No 7105-96856 Actual ECC 121201 Authorized ECC 121201 NSN ERN 30103 Holding Unit 0122 CFB Chilliwack DA Unit 0122 CFB Chilliwack Date Acquired 01-Jan-67 Cost 0 Alloc Code MA Comm Suite Current VMO DP358357 - 07-Jan-87 HN Date 06-May-87 Pending? No Disposed? Yes Disposal Date 26-May-87
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Thanks Scotty! Very helpful, what does the other EDR show that this doesn't?
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EDR Screen Shots for your new toy
Give me to get home tonight and imwill upload the information on your veh from the 'good' EDR. I have some screen shots but
Can't upload them until after work. Nice find. Cheers. Steve H
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EDR Infor
Good morning,
Here is the EDR info for you: CFR 1968 07809 Ser No 7105-96856 ECC 121201 Truck Utility 1/4 Ton M38A1 Cdn 2 Acquired Date 01 Jan 1967 Original UIC 0122 CFB Chilliwack (Domant) Initial VMO Lommis Disposed of for $2214.00 Disposal Date 26 May 1987 The Holding Unit Registry doesn't list any units which would lead me to believe that it was most likely a Base Tn veh. The Work Order History only lists three entries: Work Order Number/Date Completed/CIN/HUIC/Usage LF0055/10 Jan 1980/716/0122/45,372 LO5106/7 Oct 1978/716/2208/0 LO5092/21 May 1978/716/2208/0 I looked at the individual work orders and all work was completed by CFB Chilliwack. The Modification History lists the following: Modification Number/Modification 30010000CF003/No Information Available on this Modification 30100000CF0014/No Information Available on this Modification 30103000CF004/No Information Available on this Modification That is all there is on this vehicle. Cheers. Steve
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Nice find!
But now Rick what are you going to do with 2 Jeeps and only that two car garage? LOL That poor pooch is getting the boot out side right! hehehehe!
Good on you hope this one is the keeper! Casey
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30100000CF0014 is the modification to the alternator bracket. Unfortunately I do not have the C30-103 series of CFTOs, but the 103 number refers strictly to the Cdn3, so it will be something unique to that pattern of the M38A1. |
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Casey, I still have room for 2 more jeeps in there, after that, I have to start stacking them!
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Thanks Rob, I assume that CDN3 mods would also be applied to CDN2's?
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Shouldn't, it would more likely be something that is particular to the Cdn3. But without seeing the modification instruction I can't say.
Surely I am not the only guy in Canada that grabbed a set of these on disposal. |
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Wanna bet Rob?
hey I'll be out that way this summer end of July begining of August yes prime mosquito time. Buy you a beer when I get there.! Casey
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C-30-103-000/cf 004
Good evening, according to the instructions this modification was for the "radiator damage by bellcrank" and applied to the CDN 2 only. It says, "when completed it will provide additional clearance between the radiator and steering bellcrank assembly." hope this helps. Cheers. Steve
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Well that throws out my theory that the 30103 was the Cdn 3 jeeps. Son of a gun, just 25 years after they leave service and the memory is starting to fade already.
Steve, are all the 30103 series for Cdn2 only? Are there any 30104s? I know the 30105s are for the M151A2s and I think the 30106 was the CJ7s. |
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C-30-102/103-000 Series
Rob,
Not at all, for the most part, you are spot on. There just seems to those odd one or two tech orders that go against the norm. It looks as though the C-30-100-000 series is for both the M38CDN and the M38CDN. Later on they seem to expand to cover all types. The C-30-101-000 series seems to cover the special vehicles such as the welding conversion unit and C-30-102-000 seems, for the most part, to be for both CDN2 and CDN 3 with orders for the headlight guards, spare wheel mounting reinforcement, etc. However, there are one or two of them that just pertain to the CDN 2. From what I can think of they were longer-term defects that required modification. There is a tech order in the C-30-104-000 series that covers the door handle modification but it only makes reference to the CDN3. I absolutely agree that all M151A2's used the C-30-105-000 series and, unfortunately, I don't have any visibility of the CJ7 but it sounds right that they would be the C-30-106-000 series. But the real question is "why couldn't I ever get my doors to close properly!" Oh well. Fun stuff. Hope this helps. Steve
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