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Old 01-08-17, 14:12
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Hey guys! Just thought I'd start this thread with my new purchase! A 1944 F60L! Going to be a long term project. Just pulled then engine for rebuild....

Can anyone help me with the identification of my ford v8?

Serial number D363:1 K

Pretty sure it is not the original engine? Hope somebody out ther can help!

More infor and pics to follow!

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Old 02-08-17, 00:21
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Hi David,

Welcome to the forum! Always great to have new members onboard and to hear that another Ford CMP truck has been saved from extinction.

I cannot offer any info based on the s/n but a photo of it would help to identify it.

As a general rule, the raised casting number and letters on the right front side of the block and/or the bell housing will give you the date the block was cast. If you post them I can identify it for you. It would be something like "C..9A"

There are some Blitzes around that have been retro fitted with earlier 21 stud motors which automatically rules it out being the original, likewise the later 8BA engines with the separate bell housing, top mounted distributor etc.

Car engines were often substituted for the truck engines over the years so things like single sheave pulleys on the crank, water pumps, and generator indicate a passenger car engine. A 1944 CMP truck would have used double row pulleys.

Hope this point you in the right direction to get an answer.

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Old 02-08-17, 04:48
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Likewise welcome here David.

Have a look on top of the valley machined surface for an engine number as well. The original engines for a 1944/45 model was 4G with a F suffix.

Out of interest the original engine number is usually stamped on the top go the gearbox housing and also on the right front chassis next to the engine mount, this doubles as the chassis number.

Jacques is right on the money for help with the ID of different flathead types.
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Old 02-08-17, 13:27
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Thanks for the encouragement and info... I haven't found many more casting marks, but it is still covered in thick layers of dust and oil! I'm suspicious that it may not be the original engine. I do have the data plates for the truck, and the engine serials don't match. However, I have read that this was occasionally the case with wartime manufacturing!

Anyway, here are some photo's as promised.....
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Old 02-08-17, 13:44
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And with 20 x 1200 Tyres fitted to the front which I found. Looking for more.....

Engine is out, trying to free some valves, and remove split valve guides. Ready for it's acid bath.....then off to the specialist for rebuild evaluation.....

The truck came with good radiator, lights(Minus the lenses!!!), and a whole lot of bits and pieces! Engine was complete but seized.

Engine may not be original as stated before. Bore's measure 3 3/16 (3.1875).

I purchased another engine, but it was worse than original, so will re-build this one if nothing too bad is found...

I bought some excellent engine covers which are complete and rust free...

It looks like the transfer case intermediate gear has failed at some point, so will need that looking at.

Gearbox looks in excellent condition. I have removed the side cover and drained the oil(sludge) and inspected the gears which all seem ok, and without pitting!!!(Need a win sometime!).

BTW, does anyone know if you can directly replace the older style split valve guides, for the latter model guides and valves in the older blocks?
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Old 02-08-17, 14:45
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BTW, does anyone know if you can directly replace the older style split valve guides, for the latter model guides and valves in the older blocks?
Yes, you can. A little info on Valvetrain in THIS THREAD
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And with 20 x 1200 Tyres fitted to the front which I found. Looking for more.....
When it was fitted with duals, there was a spacer fitted to the front hub to allow correct steering geometry with the offset "Dual" rim. If you're going back to 12.00-20's on single rims, you will need to remove the spacer to get correct steering again. The spacers were made by the Aust Army for fitment to to 3 ton tippers.
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Hey guys! Just thought I'd start this thread with: "Can anyone help me with the identification of my ford v8?"

Serial number D363:1 K

Pretty sure it is not the original engine?

More info and pics to follow!
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Any progress on finding a stamped engine number, not a casting number?
That number cast into the bellhousing is not the engine serial number or model, it is either a date code or a lot number for the block casting. I have a couple of engines here with similar numbers (Pic attached of "F641"), but have not yet found a way to decipher the codes. You might find the engine model number, 99A, cast near the top of the RH water pump. I've never seen it cast on the bellhousing part of the engine like the US and post-war Canadian examples. As mentioned, the majority of online sources of ID info for the Ford V8 is based on US production, and very little on Canadian WW2 engines.

The engine serial number will be stamped on either one of the 4 available corners of the valley cover mounting flat (or maybe not at all), or on the gearbox bellhousing. See THIS THREAD for an example.

While your engine does have a single row pulley RH water pump, I can also see that it has a double row crank pulley, so I would be willing to gamble that it is still possibly the original engine, or at least the correct truck type, and that someone in the mists of time has replaced that water pump with a cheaper and more easily obtained car pump.

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