winch cable puzzle

Wayne Henderson · #1 09-06-04, 15:18

With a CMP 60 or GT fitted with a winch you are able to pull from the rear or run the cable up the chassis rail to the front via rollers of the front bumber.
If the cable runs up along the chassis, past the fuel tank brackets, and through the rollers on the bumper and ends in an eyelet... how do I run the cable back to pull from the rear? This may be bleeding obvious to some but having never seen a CMP with all the winch fruit attached how is this possible? Do you need to dismantle the eyelet and pull the cable back through?

Tony Smith · #2 10-06-04, 03:26

On Canadian winch roller assemblies, the lower horizontal roller on the front bumper is held in place with a side plate that is in turn held in place by a spring loaded pin. Pulling this pin out will allow the side plate to be rotated off the upper roller, and the side plate and lower roller removed.
On Australian pattern winch rollers, only the upper roller is visible to the front, and the shaft for this roller is retained by two bolts and a lock plate. Undoing these will allow the roller to be removed.
Once the one of the rollers have been removed, this then allows room to pass the eyelet through. The wire cable runs along the inside of the chassis rail through a series of "Pigtail" brackets where you simply loop the cable through.
Depending on the type of swage that has been applied to the cable end over the years, it might also be possible to simply turn the eyelet horizontally through the rollers!

Keith Webb · #3 10-06-04, 04:29

And the Australian front fairleads (which are similar to the early cab 11 Canadian ones) have a small hinged bit at the top to allow one side to be swung out to pass the eyelet through.

Wayne Henderson · #4 10-06-04, 07:50

Thanks Tony and Keith. I have yet to obtain the front Aussie rollers.
Next question, why do the GT fuel tank hangers have a cutaway where the bracket meets the chassis rail?

Keith Webb · #5 10-06-04, 22:14

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Originally posted by Wayne Henderson
Thanks Tony and Keith. I have yet to obtain the front Aussie rollers.
Next question, why do the GT fuel tank hangers have a cutaway where the bracket meets the chassis rail?

As the pic shows, the winch cable on the left-hand side of the vehicle passes along just under the inside of the chassis rails guided by pig tails mounted on the chassis. It would appear this is for clearance for the cable, although I think it passes slightly above when taut.
On my F60L the cable abraded the brake hose on that side, so that's something else to watch.
This is a LP9 FGT.

Keith Webb · #6 10-06-04, 22:20

As for front fairleads, all the FGTs and CGTs here had the Canadian type.
This pic is a CGT LP8.

Keith Webb · #7 10-06-04, 22:22

The rollers you picture Tony are the late pattern Canadian type.

Quote:

Originally posted by Tony Smith
On Canadian winch roller assemblies, the lower horizontal roller on the front bumper is held in place with a side plate that is in turn held in place by a spring loaded pin. Pulling this pin out will allow the side plate to be rotated off the upper roller, and the side plate and lower roller removed.
On Australian pattern winch rollers, only the upper roller is visible to the front, and the shaft for this roller is retained by two bolts and a lock plate. Undoing these will allow the roller to be removed.
Once the one of the rollers have been removed, this then allows room to pass the eyelet through. The wire cable runs along the inside of the chassis rail through a series of "Pigtail" brackets where you simply loop the cable through.
Depending on the type of swage that has been applied to the cable end over the years, it might also be possible to simply turn the eyelet horizontally through the rollers!

Keith Webb · #8 10-06-04, 23:18

These are on a new LP8 Ford FGT.
Hope this helps.

Keith

Bob Carriere · #9 14-06-04, 05:37

Hi Tony

The fairlead...front... on my cab 11... is the same as your picture... in fact I dismanteld it today for sandblasting...... but I fail to see where the quick spring release is on that contraption.....

Now, admitedly, my cab 11 had a winch retro fitted but very neatly installed probably by a skillful country mechanic.

See the pictures I have attached.... my front fairlead was mounted perfectly centered on the front bumper..... which leads me to beleive they never were able to use it........ I will reposition my fairlead in the proper offset and weld over the bolt holes....

One question.... when and if using to pull from the front.... was the cable going through the rear fairleads at all time and simply rolled over the bottom roller of the back fairlead......???

Thanks for your help.... I keep learning about this truck everyday.

Bob Carriere · #10 14-06-04, 05:39

Geez.... only one picture came through.... here is the front fairlead

Keith Webb · #11 14-06-04, 07:35

Bob, it would seem your truck has a late pattern winch kit fitted.
As for the rear fairleads, behind the long rollers are a pair of flat pulleys and the cable should go around the left one as seen from the back to run it along the chassis.

Here's a pic of a 11 cab CGT chassis:

And these are the front fairleads on a cab 11 CGT:

Hope this helps.

More CGT pics here.

Keith Webb · #12 14-06-04, 08:48

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Originally posted by Bob C.
Geez.... only one picture came through.... here is the front fairlead

From the positioning of the pic, it would seem whomever fitted the winch just dispensed with the rear fairleads altogether and ran the cable directly from the winch drum under the engine to the front bumper.

Bob Carriere · #13 15-06-04, 04:18

Hi Keith

There is no doubt in my mind that my wich was a later add on....

I now understand how the cable ALWAYS comes out the rear part of the winch..... my winch does not have the shrouding seen in the B&W factory photos.....although the extended bolts to hold the shrouds are there..... I beleive that Jeff in Chatworth my have a spare winch and the shrouding is still present ...... Jeff I will be bugging you come CC3..... be ware!!!!

If you go back to the rear fairlead of my truck it has an additional roller and the left hand side is offset from the frame allowing the cable to run around tha left hand side pulley and snake its way to the front. I have serious doubts.... having sighted throught he front fair lead that the truck could pull from the front witht he fairlead centered without serious damage to the exhaust system... the oil pan...etc..... You see the trcuk came with a full set of "gin poles"...... a military issue set of A-frame poles which when installed inthe back converted the truck into a country bumpkin towtruck....... and the second horizontal roller at the back redirected the cable to the overhead 9 or 10 inch pulley...

Pretty ingenious when you think of it.......

The rear fairleads of my truck is massive compared to the earlier CGT..... the plate holding the pulleys and rollers is half inch thick.... it is all disassembled right now...blasted and ready for paint... will take some close up pictures and post for future reference.

Thanks for your help and enlightenment.....

Tony Smith · #14 17-06-04, 09:43

Bob, if you have a look at the fairleads in Keith's "Boot on the Bumper" pic, you can see a thin 1/4" rod with finger loop above the top roller. Pulling this pin towards the centreline of the vehicle frees the left side plate on the top roller, allowing it to be moved upward to clear the eye and clevis on the end of the wire rope.

Tony Smith · #15 17-06-04, 11:36

Even before I had posed the question, Hanno has provided the answer. In the thread on Keith Orpin's LAAT, Hanno posted this pic of the release pin on the fairlead.

Bob Carriere · #16 17-06-04, 23:47

....a good picture is worth....almost... a thousand words.....

....but darn it I am still confused..... must be due to all the cold air in Canada last Winter......

If you are able to drop one side of the fairlead to allow the thicker spliced eye of the cable to slip in between the horizontal rollers....... how do you squeeze it through the two vertical back rollers???? or am I missing something here!!!!

One thing for sure my front fairlead has not such provision... the back fairlead seems to have a bit more clearance arouond the pulleys and rollers for a sliced cable end to go through.....

Waiting to be un-conphuzed!!!!

Alex Blair (RIP) · #17 18-06-04, 00:35

Quote:

Originally posted by Keith Webb
As for front fairleads, all the FGTs and CGTs here had the Canadian type.
This pic is a CGT LP8.

Bob
If you look closley at the cable eye in this picture you will find the correct termination on the original cable..
There is then a removable clevis and hook..This original eye slides easily through the rollers..once the clevis and hook is removed..
If you replace the cable with new cable ,a properly woven cable eye should be used instead of the abortion used with clamps and bolts as shown in the other picture..
This is after market ,back yard mechanics handiwork and not a proper CMP cable eye..