some differences ford ...chev

Max Hedges · #1 27-02-07, 11:28

Ford front shell

Just note the distance at the arrow

Max Hedges · #2 27-02-07, 11:33

Chev front shell

The distance is alot shorter on a chev

Max Hedges · #3 28-02-07, 21:41

the top door was made by holden to fit chev that were made in Aus
the next door was Canadian made and used on ford in Aus and also on chev built in Canada

Max Hedges · #4 28-02-07, 22:16

Australian chev hold down handle

The first type used was an eye bolted to the floor that a piece of rope was looped through

The second type had a clamp that bolted to the floor holding the ends of a piece of rope in place

Max Hedges · #5 28-02-07, 22:37

This is the canadian type of handle that was used on ford in australian in the cab 13 types and was used on all cab 12s

More to follow later
max

cliff · #6 28-02-07, 23:24

Thanks Max I really appreciate you taking the time to post these differences.

Cheers
Cliff

cletrac (RIP) · #7 01-03-07, 02:04

My 11 cab C8 and my HUP both have the triangular metal "chicken handle".

Howard · #8 01-03-07, 11:36

Excellent Thread Max, keep 'em coming.
This thread is & will be an excellent reference for mugs such as myself...

Max Hedges · #9 06-03-07, 00:09

this window frame is used on Fords in australia, it's a Canadian built frame used on chev and ford made in Canada.

Max Hedges · #10 06-03-07, 00:21

this window frame is found on al chevs that were built in australia by holden, it's shorter between the glass and the rubber seal and is slightly rounded. Also the press studs for the canvas curtains are different to the ford.

Max Hedges · #11 06-03-07, 01:55

this one is taken in a ford between the two seats of the back panel below the window. The bracing strap used by ford in australia is of a W shape different to what was used in Canada, also the holding bracket in the photo with a hole in it is used to hold the curtains in place but this one is missing the handle.

jim sewell · #12 06-03-07, 02:13

Max
Who put out the brass window frames ?
Jim S.

Max Hedges · #13 06-03-07, 12:03

Quote:

Originally posted by jim sewell
Max
Who put out the brass window frames ?
Jim S.

Jim I have only seen them on chev's and I think that the ones we find were made in Australia, maybe even post war
Max

Keith Webb · #14 06-03-07, 20:21

The brass ones are post-war replacements made from commercially available brass section.

Max Hedges · #15 07-03-07, 00:54

This one is a photo of the inside cabin back showing the type of bracing used by the Canadien CMPs.

Max Hedges · #16 07-03-07, 00:59

The headlight on the left comes from a Chev and has 8 holes mounting it to the body. The one on the right comes from a Ford, it has only 4 holes mounting it to the body.

Max Hedges · #17 07-03-07, 01:07

Here in Australia the Chev cabins that were fitted with a canvas rear window (see picture), they were attached to the outside of the cabin, and had little tie down ropes to hold them closed on the inside of the cabin.

Ford on the other hand had their canvas attached to the inside of the cabin, with their hold down ropes attached outside and were tied to a bracket on the lower back corners of the cabin.

Max Hedges · #18 07-03-07, 01:12

This is an Australian modified seat fitted to Blitzes in Australia, the back was widened and also laid back and I find them more comfortable to ride in.

We will take another photo showing the work done on the seatback to widen it.

sth65pac · #19 07-03-07, 10:50

In Max's first photos (Chev front Shell and Ford [superior] front Shell) you will all notice that the Ford & Chev's use different headlight rings.

The Chev uses a single outer ring, whilst the Ford [superior] uses a double dimpled outer ring (its brass), the Ford one is common with pre war trucks, Whilst the chev one was carried over for many years...

Later Ford Cab Shells have the CANADIAN script on them. KW will have a picture I am SURE.

Or go to http:www.oldcmp.net You will see examples there!

Ian

cliff · #20 07-03-07, 10:58

here is a photo of one I took at Ken Hughes Kingaroy yard with Ford Canada stamped into it.

Cheers
Cliff

Max Hedges · #21 07-03-07, 11:41

On Cliffs photo you will notice the side light is further in and on the Chev photo it is nearer the edge of the mudguard.

"Ford Canada" was stamped on later models.

First models had nothing, second models had "Ford" only, the last ones had "Ford Canada".

Mike Kelly · #22 08-03-07, 02:02

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Originally posted by Keith Webb
The brass ones are post-war replacements made from commercially available brass section.

Are you sure ?

GMH made brass windscreen frames for the local pattern 1941 Chev. MCP pattern trucks . They are hinged above the frame , the hinges mount on the forward edge of the cab roof . I have come across these frames , they are brass .

The 1941 TJ Richards bodied dodge/plymouth military utes had the same thing , brass framed screens .

Mike

Rod Diery · #23 10-03-07, 08:17

Quote:

Originally posted by Max Hedges
Ford on the other hand had their canvas attached to the inside of the cabin, with their hold down ropes attached outside and were tied to a bracket on the lower back corners of the cabin.

Hi Max, I have a couple of Ford cabs here in my yard that have two piece sliding metal rear windows.

Cheers
Rod

Hanno Spoelstra · #24 10-03-07, 21:48

Quote:

Originally posted by Max Hedges
This is an Australian modified seat fitted to Blitzes in Australia, the back was widened and also laid back and I find them more comfortable to ride in.

Widened and laid back? To fit the Aussie life style?

H.

P.S. great thread, keep 'm coming.

sth65pac · #25 11-03-07, 11:54

I retract my statement about the headlight ring being brass, after Friday,,, trudging around in the bush, I noticed that the double dimpled headlight rings are steel. They are still only ford though.

It was a great day. Has anyone taken a photo of a "FORD" Only Script on the front of the cab. I have never seen one....

Ian

Rod Diery · #26 11-03-07, 14:07

Quote:

Originally posted by sth65pac
It was a great day. Has anyone taken a photo of a "FORD" Only Script on the front of the cab. I have never seen one....

Ian

Hi Ian, Not a big pic but this is what it looks like.
Cheers
Rod

sth65pac · #27 12-03-07, 10:31

WOW

Thanks Rod.

I have never seen that before. Are you sure its not a bit of photoshop magic??? Truly amazing!

Are many WA trucks like this? A Perth Ford assembly trait?

Nice to see!

Ian

Rod Diery · #28 12-03-07, 14:49

Hi Ian, No it's not something magic nor is it a Ford Perth thing. I think all Australian Ford CMPs were assembled in Geelong. My information is that all 1944 Ford CMPs had the FORD script, 1945 trucks had the FORD CANADA script.

Maybe some of our Canadian friends can clear up what dates the changes occurred.

Regards
Rod

Keith Webb · #29 12-03-07, 16:35

Quote:

Originally posted by Rod Diery
Hi Ian, No it's not something magic nor is it a Ford Perth thing. I think all Australian Ford CMPs were assembled in Geelong. My information is that all 1944 Ford CMPs had the FORD script, 1945 trucks had the FORD CANADA script.

Maybe some of our Canadian friends can clear up what dates the changes occurred.

Regards
Rod

Rod, Whilst there is no formal written confirmation, I think the 'FORD' was used from mid to late 43 until some time in 44 when replaced with the more marketing oriented 'FORD CANADA'.
There are even two distinct types of 'FORD CANADA' front shells. The latest ones had a detatchable upper bar just under the bonnet (hood) to facilitate engine removal, as on this F60L Mach-M1 I photographed at Camp Borden in Canada in 2001. (Link)

Keith Webb · #30 12-03-07, 16:54

This was on a FGT No9 which I had photographed to show an innovative way to mount a large steering box onto an existing small steering box mounting.