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Old 31-03-20, 14:58
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Default Half-a-CMP-trailer

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It seems every soldier had a lot of "stuff" to move around in 1945......campers, caravans, roofracks, but also all sorts of trailers are seen in period pictures. Ever wondered what to do with half a CMP?

Picture 1 and 2: the rear end of a Chev, Ford or Dodge converted into a trailer. Amsterdam
This screenshot shows a similar conversion. Is it a 2B1 15-cwt body on the back half of a 15-cwt chassis? The wheels look larger. It is towed by a C15TA.

This picture was not taken in Holland, but during OPERATION GOLDFLAKE - the move of 1 Cdn Corps from Italy to North-West Europe, Feb-Mar 1945. So this trailer proably ended up in Holland.

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Old 31-03-20, 15:49
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Hanno.

It almost looks like tie rods under the axle assembly on that trailer. A salvaged front end, or perhaps even an artillery axle?

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Old 31-03-20, 16:49
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It almost looks like tie rods under the axle assembly on that trailer. A salvaged front end, or perhaps even an artillery axle?
David, well spotted!

It could indeed be a true "bitsa" made up from parts scrounged from the battlefield scrapheaps in Italy.
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Old 31-03-20, 16:53
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Well spotted Hanno! For a moment I thought.....wartime Sankey

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I don't think it's a salvaged front axle - neither a differential housing nor the typical drop of a non driven axle (and not as heavy as the straight axle of a 3 ton CMP 4x2).
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Old 31-03-20, 18:56
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Default Trailer tie rods

The tie rods may be mechanical brake linkages?
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Old 31-03-20, 19:24
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The tie rods may be mechanical brake linkages?
Based on the 15 and 20 CWT CMP trailer frames I've seen, the parking brakes are cable operated and the service brakes hydraulic (based on Ford parts same as CMP rear axles) so it would have to be a non-CMP sourced axle.
The trailer frame seems to have a reinforcement at the bend at the front of the body and may have an upward step toward the drawbar. Not standard CMP trailer features, does this suggest anything?
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Old 31-03-20, 20:32
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Based on the 15 and 20 CWT CMP trailer frames I've seen, the parking brakes are cable operated and the service brakes hydraulic (based on Ford parts same as CMP rear axles) so it would have to be a non-CMP sourced axle.
The trailer frame seems to have a reinforcement at the bend at the front of the body and may have an upward step toward the drawbar. Not standard CMP trailer features, does this suggest anything?
Grant, it is not a CMP trailer for sure. It is clearly made up from parts scrounged in Italy for the big trip North.
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Old 31-03-20, 22:09
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What comes to mind with me for some reason, Hanno, is an ex-German 20 mm Quad Mount Trailer stripped down with a CMP box added, but the wheels look too large.

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Old 31-03-20, 22:34
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What comes to mind with me for some reason, Hanno, is an ex-German 20 mm Quad Mount Trailer stripped down with a CMP box added, but the wheels look too large.
Hmm... Sonderanhänger (l achs.) (Sd. Ah. 52). Indeed, don't think so, it sits lower.

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Default Bitsa trailers

A couple of interesting documents.
The first two are from 'Wait for the Wagon' by Arnold Warren. It's a history of the Royal Canadian Army Service Corps. These excerpts explain why units made their own trailers

The next are parts of the Manifest for the 5th Canadian Armoured Brigade Workshop and list all the vehicles it shipped from Italy to France in February 1944. Lots of unregistered trailers and some rather interesting vehicles too
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Old 04-04-20, 20:34
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Very interesting info!

Thanks a lot for sharing, Steve.
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Default documents from the 5th Canadian Armoured Brigade RCEME Workshop

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The next are parts of the Manifest for the 5th Canadian Armoured Brigade Workshop and list all the vehicles it shipped from Italy to France in February 1944. Lots of unregistered trailers and some rather interesting vehicles too
More documents from Steve:

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Here are a couple of really interesting documents from the 5th Canadian Armoured Brigade RCEME Workshop. They list vehicles (their own and other 1 Corps assets) which were sent from Italy to France in Feb 1945. Look at the number of types plus the number of unit built trailers, which did not have census numbers.

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Old 20-05-20, 13:15
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Default documents from the 5th Canadian Armoured Brigade RCEME Workshop

Courtesy of Steve, part 2:

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Here are a couple of really interesting documents from the 5th Canadian Armoured Brigade RCEME Workshop. They list vehicles (their own and other 1 Corps assets) which were sent from Italy to France in Feb 1945. Look at the number of types plus the number of unit built trailers, which did not have census numbers.

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Old 20-05-20, 13:23
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Default From Italy to Holland

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It seems every soldier had a lot of "stuff" to move around in 1945......campers, caravans, roofracks, but also all sorts of trailers are seen in period pictures. Ever wondered what to do with half a CMP?

Picture 1 and 2: the rear end of a Chev, Ford or Dodge converted into a trailer.
Mike Calnan noted:
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Really hard to make out the markings on this one. Most likely artillery based on the hat badge of the young fella with the big grin! Some Gunner units used the M3 Scout Car as a Battery Reconnaissance vehicle. They were also a good size for a FOO vehicle. Drop the trailer in the hide and then move to a position of observation.
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The vehicle belongs to one of the regiments of 1 Cdn AGRA, whose Arm of Service (AoS) serials were:
1 Cdn Med Regt - 181
2 Cdn Med Regt - 182
5 Cdn Med Regt - 180
11 Cdn Army Fd Regt - 184
all with a 2-inch white bar below
(Source: SD 4/Tpt/Veh Markings/5 - “Vehicle Serial Numbers CMF Units,” dated 7 April 1945)
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And who knows, this could be the same White Scout plus makeshift trailer before the move from Italy to Holland?

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Steve, Hanno,

Thanks for adding these very interesting documents!!

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