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Old 06-02-18, 09:41
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Old 07-02-18, 17:19
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Looking good there Big D, you must feeling like a proud new poppa with the M8 home. With most all the sub assemblies done and just a matter of wrenching it should come together rather quickly, then the first drive, shake down, correct faults and such as they surface. Is it up on wheels again and semi mobile ? Hats off to you for bringing the car back to a fine example of a M8 from a random pile of parts.
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Old 05-03-18, 22:29
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Sooooo.............I hope the absence of updates is because you are feverishly turning wrenches and twisting screwdrivers . Come on Big D, at least throw up a pic or two for the M8 fans and your restoration.
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Old 06-03-18, 07:26
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Hi James P,

Apologies for not replying to your previous post.

I don't have a heck of a lot of positive news on the M8 at this stage. I am now on my third paint supplier as I have not been happy with the paint supplied by the first two suppliers. The paint from both has not been a matt finish. The colour shade appears correct but the finish is more of a dull satin (if that is a thing?). It simply has not been flat enough and this makes the colour shade look greener than it should be.

We have painted another panel with the paint from the third supplier tonight so hopefully it will be a goer tomorrow. I have my fingers crossed!

I haven't had time to do much other work on the M8 as I've had my hands full replacing rear sprockets on my LP2A carrier, as well as adjusting the brakes and repairing the fuel pump. The Warbirds over Wanaka Airshow is coming up and I need that running for that show.

There are never enough hours in the day!
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Old 09-03-18, 10:10
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Hi all,

Finally some progress on the painting of the hull. The latest paint supplier came up with a paint mix which I think is a good match to the OD-319 paint sample I had. We put that paint on today and it looks good. The paint appears a little shiny in some of the photos as it was still wet.

The plan is to get the hull back to the workshop on Monday and then drop off the turret and a few of the loose big parts and get them blasted and painted as well.

Iím looking forward to actually starting to put some of the restored parts on the hull.

I made up some decals for the vehicle and I will apply them as I go. Thanks to David and Seacon for assisting me with sizes etc.
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Old 09-03-18, 10:11
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Old 09-03-18, 13:51
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So the thrid time is the charm for the paint work. Do worry to much about the sheen as in a couple of seasons it will be buff shined by oily hands and trouser butts, throw on a couple scratches and oil stains to give it the "lived in look". Are you decals water slide ? if so who made them ?
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Old 10-03-18, 10:22
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Hi James P,

Yes, all those things I have to look forward to with that expensive paint job! Haha.

The decals were done by a local printer. He does the halftrack and scout car instrument decals that I supply and he does a good job. These were supposed to be waterslide decals but his printer clapped out, so he did them on normal decal paper instead. These tend to be as sticky as hell so I'll need to get them positioned right first time.
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Old 23-03-18, 10:39
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Hi all,

Here are a few photos showing progress with the hull. Itís a nice feeling actually putting it together rather than the constant disassembly of the last couple of years.

Iíve had to spend a lot of time cleaning out the threads of all the fixing points on the hull. I ran a tap through each one of these before blasting but Iíve found now that Iím having to do them all again, due to the paint. I guess I canít really complain about a good paint job!

I will need to do a bit of touching up of the paint on the nuts and bolts once Iím happy with everything.

I havenít bolted the FT-237 radio tray down yet but I needed to make sure it was positioned right on the shelf. I cleaned up the paint on the shelf mounts so I should get a good earth on the FT-237. Iíll start routing the radio cable through the hull so I can cut it to the correct length.

I still havenít sourced all the hydraulic lines so I wonít fit too much more in the hull until I have those laid out.

The decals I had made up worked a treat, although you do have to get them lined up first time as they stick like hell.
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Old 23-03-18, 10:40
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Old 23-03-18, 15:55
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You're doing a beautiful job Darryl and It's a really nice feeling when you get to bolt things back on. Keep the photos coming.
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Old 24-03-18, 20:29
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Hi Colin,

Thanks for that. It is certainly a nice feeling seeing it all go back together.
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Old 27-03-18, 11:44
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Hi all,

I am at the stage where I am fitting and wiring the BC606 interphone boxes and the wiring to the FT237 radio tray and Iím hoping to get some advice from the M8 gurus out there.

I have the TM 11-2702 manual for installation of the radio and interphone equipment. I also have all the other drawings and plans for the wiring of the interphone and radios, as per the photos.

What isnít clear to me is how the BC606s for the commander and loader are connected.

The plans would suggest that the BC606s for the commander and loader each terminate at the terminal boxes in the sponsons, which I have fitted. It is not clear though how those two terminal boxes are connected. The BC606 for the commander is not the problem, as it has a direct connection to the FT237 through the terminal box in the sponson on that side. How does the BC606 for the loader connect to the commander's side though?

Iíve seen many photos of M8s (like the photo attached) that have the BC606 for the commander and loader connected by way of CO213 cable that is strung along the back wall of the interior of the hull. There is no indication of that method of connecting them in the manuals that I have found. I can see the ease in doing it that way, but is it correct?

I know there is conduit that runs along the side of the hull for each terminal box through into the engine bay. I figured this conduit just carried the 12 volt supply from the engine bay to each of the terminal boxes, for the power supply to radios on each sponson. Does that conduit also carry the CO213 cordage that connects these BC606s?

I donít have the original conduit that goes through the channel from the engine bay along the side of the engine hull to the terminal boxes (as pictured). I also donít have the conduit/pipe that runs behind the hull interior back wall in front of the fuel tank, so I am running a little blind on both fronts.

If you have any ideas, Iíd be keen to hear them please.
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Old 08-04-18, 03:56
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Hi all,

I have now learnt (thanks to Willy) that the conduit that runs around the hull actually carries the 12 volt power supply for the terminal box on each sponson, as well as the CO213 cordage that links the BC606's for the commander and the loader. The conduit terminates at the terminal boxes and then there is a short length of cordage to each BC606. This fits with what I was seeing in the plans.

What I was confused about were photos of some restored M8ís that had the cordage on the firewall inside the hull connecting the commanderís and loaders BC606ís. I understand now that this is a post-war change. Iím going the wartime route with the conduit around the hull, providing I can get my hands on enough of the conduit!

Iíve now connected up the four BC606ís and the FT237 radio tray using the CO213 cordage. Preparing the cordage was a bit of a tedious job. Seperating the shield on the outside is time-consuming as it is very tightly wound around the internal wires.

I wired in the cordage for the driver and co-driver BC606ís in situ, only because I wanted to be sure of the lengths of the cable required. I wired the BC606ís for the commander and loader out of the vehicle and that was a darned sight easier. Iíd have to say, that despite all the drawings and plans, without knowing exactly how it was all laid out, I still needed to do lots of research and have a good think about the layout and how it was connected both before and during the installation.

I was (and still am) a bit confused by the layout of the BC606ís. The plans show that the BC606ís for the driver, co-driver and commander should be positioned with the INT/RADIO switch and Volume Control side of the unit down. I setup the BC606ís for the driver and co-driver in this way as per the drawings.

I placed the loaderís BC606 as per the drawings with the INT/RADIO switch and Volume Control up. As I say, the drawings say that the Commanderís BC606 should be positioned with the INT/RADIO switch and Volume Control side down though, which didnít make much sense to me.

What was the logic to how these BC606ís were fitted? I have seen numerous variations in the setups in restored M8ís, and a number of pictures of M8ís during wartime also showed variations. Why not keep them all in the same layout with the INT/RADIO switch and Volume Control upwards where the crewman can see it and change it if required?

In the end, I positioned the Commanderís unit with the INT/RADIO switch and Volume Control up, as per the Loaderís unit. I guess someone will correct me if it is wrong.

Along with the radio stuff, Iíve been trying to progress the gun. We havenít been able to remove the two screws holding the recoil system in place. These screws have an allen type head on them but they were pretty knackered and corroded. I had been soaking the screws with penetrating oil for several months but the heads werenít good enough to get a decent bite on them with the allen screw bit. We tried welding a bolt onto one screw but even then we couldnít get the thing to budge. As a result, I will be taking it into a metal specialist next week to get the screws removed by spark erosion.

I got the boys in the engineering shop to profile cut a tool for removing the big nut on the barrel. This will allow me to remove the sleigh. Again, this nut is stuck and Iím better off having a tool that fits it properly before trying to lever it much more. l will give this tool a try next week and see if that will shift the nut.
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1943 White M3A1AOP Scout Car
1944 Ford M8 Armoured Car
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Old 08-04-18, 03:57
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Old 15-04-18, 12:46
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Hi all,

Here are a few more progress photos from the last couple of days.

All the radio wiring and conduit is in now, some albeit temporarily. I didn't have any pictures of this cabling before I started so these photos might be handy for anyone else doing this sort of restoration.

I havenít connected the cordage to the BC606ís for the commander and loader yet. Once I have the radios and a battery in, I will check that the system is working with the BC606ís for the driver and co-driver before connecting the other two BC606ís. I donít see any point in complicating things until I know I have wired it right.

The mounting of the conduit and piping holding the CO213 cordage is not finalised yet as you can see by the cable ties. You probably get the idea though. I could use some of the correct conduit clamps if anyone has any. My homemade ones just arenít quite the right shape. I am still finalising the layout and there is a possibility I will have to move the cabling/conduit in the hull to get the firewall in, as that is a tight fit, and not something I am looking forward to fitting. I still have some routing of the wiring to tidy up but I think it is pretty close to how I want it.

The steering box and clutch and brake pedal assembly are next so that I can sort out the hydraulics and instrument panel wiring. I managed to make one pushrod that I needed for the master cylinders and I have the other one coming (thanks John).
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Old 15-04-18, 12:48
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Old 15-04-18, 14:19
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And that my friend big D is one hell of a great job you are doing, I see you got the gun off. When is the big green box getting mounted on axles and tires ?
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Old 17-04-18, 03:52
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Hi James P,

Thanks for that. I have the front springs ready to bolt to the hull but I am awaiting the availability of a crane in the workshop to position the hull a bit better so that I can mount the springs and axles. We didn't really have the workshop set up properly when the hull was dropped off after painting so we'll organise this first.

The front axle just needs the hubs reassembled and the brake lines on it done before it can be bolted to the springs. The intermediate and rear axles still need some work before I can fit them.

So, timewise.....perhaps the next couple of months? Fingers crossed.
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Hi all,

Here is what Iíve been busy with over the last few days.

I fabricated a couple of pieces for the pushrods for the brake and clutch master cylinders, so Iíve now been able to mount the clutch and brake pedal assembly. The pushrod pieces arenít my best work but they will do until if/when I source some new ones. I have some NOS return springs coming (thanks Philippe). I took some extra photos of the clutch and brake pedal assembly as I didnít have a lot of photos of the layout. It is quite heavy and I had to use wooden blocks to hold this up while I bolted it in place. It is really a two man job to bolt it in but there isnít room for two people in there!

The handbrake is now mounted. The mounting holes required 3/8Ē UNC bolts which had me fooled for a while. Most of the other stuff is UNF. The sector gear on the handbrake was pretty corroded and is not great but weíll see how it goes.

Iíve fitted the steering box. Iíve used a grease and oil slurry in the steering box rather than just straight oil. The vehicle will be sitting around a lot and it might help prevent leaks. It has been sitting for a while now with no leaks so I have my fingers crossed.

Iíve done some touching up of the various mounting bolts in the front of the hull with the modellerís paint but I still need to do a bit more.

I also starting routing the wiring for the instrument panel. I forgot to take the circuit diagram with me so I havenít got this right yet and still have some work to do on it the next time I am in the workshop.

Next will be sorting out the hydraulic lines. I note in the parts manual that there are two different versions of the layout for the fuel primer pump. The version described as the Ďold primer installationí has a fuel line from the fuel filter to the primer pump and a line from the primer pump to the fuel pump. The Ďnew primer installationí seems to have a third line for an engine setup with a vacuum pump. The old layout seems like the most straightforward way to set up the primer pump. Has anyone got any other thoughts?

I need to join a couple of pieces of brass braided conduit. What method do you guys use for that? Iíve heard of copper sheet being used to join pieces. What about the brass fittings on the end of these bits of conduit? Are these Ďsweated oní to the braided conduit?

Does anyone recognise the single conduit with the fitting on the end of it in the photo? Iím told it is M8/M20 but just not sure what it is for.

Iím working on the markings etc to paint on the vehicle so am looking for some advice on that. I am talking to a couple of suppliers of paint stencil kits so I get the correct sized stars etc. I want the vehicle to have the markings of the US 86th Cavalry Reconnaissance Squadron Mechanised, 6th Armored Division. Can any of the experts on here advise the correct unit numbering? Presumably something like Ď6 Δ 86Cí? What about Company/Troop numbering?
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