MLU FORUM  

Go Back   MLU FORUM > GENERAL WW2 TOPICS > The MLU Sappers Mess

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 28-03-08, 22:54
sapper740's Avatar
sapper740 sapper740 is offline
Derek Heuring
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Corinth, Texas
Posts: 2,019
Default German Screw Drive tractor

The original screw propulsion vehicle was designed in 1944, by Johannes Raedel, a member of the German Army and veteran of the Eastern Front. He noticed how tanks would dig out the snow under the tracks and the bottom of the tank became high centered. Raedel convinced Berlin to allow him to build a prototype of a machine that wouldn't get stuck in snow and still be able to tow a substantial load. At that time, Austria was annexed to Germany so Raedel was sent to the Austrian Alpine vehicle test centre at St. Johann in Tyrol. Using only materials at hand he worked from Feb. 10 to April 28, 1944 building his prototype. It was tested extensively and although it was very slow it would pull 2,000 lbs and had good climbing capabilities. I don't know if it ever saw use operationally but it spawned similar designs after the war.

CHIMO! Derek.
Attached Thumbnails
german Screw vehicle.jpg   nazi_vehicle.jpg   screw_drive_vehicle.jpg   screw_vehicle.jpg  
__________________
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-04-08, 02:33
George McKenzie George McKenzie is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Northern Alberta CA
Posts: 451
Default Screw driver Tracter

I have the working modle of the first anfibeous army tank , that was used to get a patent in 1918 It has two screws and a chain under neath in the center to move it when the screws wouldn't .This modle is about 30 inches long George
__________________
George is hooked on OD
5 window DT969
8 ton Fruehauf trailer
M2A1Halftrack ,CMP #11 F15A1 #13 F15A1
RAF Fordson Tractor, 42 WLC HD
No.2MK11 CT267514 center CB24713 bottom hull25701 ,No.2 MK2 parts
MK1 10128 ,(2) MK1 ,Parts Hull9305 .Hull 10407
Hull plate # 7250 all have walk plate on back steps
1917 Patent modle amphibious army tank
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-05-08, 10:07
Snowy Snowy is offline
Steve
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Brisbane, Oz
Posts: 112
Default

Very interesting indeed, but the Archimedean screw vehicle was not unknown to the Allies during the war. Post-war the most well-known ASV was the Chrysler Marsh Screw Amphibian which was prototyped in the mid-late 60's for potential use in Vietnam.

Here is a frame grab from the OSS film on the T-15 Weasel, from the fabulous RealMilitaryFlix website showing an ASV being trialled in the USA. It looks like a converted tractor. Given that this design was trialled and found wanting (as part of Operation Plough, which lead to the development of the Weasel itself) I would hazard a guess as to it being 1942 perhaps.



References:
http://www.realmilitaryflix.com/public/441.cfm?sd=61
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffre...eration_Plough

Steve.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 16-05-08, 06:17
George McKenzie George McKenzie is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Northern Alberta CA
Posts: 451
Default Screw driven vechiles

I will get a picture of my 1918 modle and try to post it . All so I was up in the Youkon and saw a machine that was made to go on the water to look for gold .That would have been made in 1898 The screw was made of wood .It was about 3 ft high and 10 ft long A great bit of engineering and craftsman ship It's in a museum in Atlan BC. George
__________________
George is hooked on OD
5 window DT969
8 ton Fruehauf trailer
M2A1Halftrack ,CMP #11 F15A1 #13 F15A1
RAF Fordson Tractor, 42 WLC HD
No.2MK11 CT267514 center CB24713 bottom hull25701 ,No.2 MK2 parts
MK1 10128 ,(2) MK1 ,Parts Hull9305 .Hull 10407
Hull plate # 7250 all have walk plate on back steps
1917 Patent modle amphibious army tank
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 17-05-08, 13:58
sapper740's Avatar
sapper740 sapper740 is offline
Derek Heuring
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Corinth, Texas
Posts: 2,019
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by George McKenzie View Post
I will get a picture of my 1918 modle and try to post it . All so I was up in the Youkon and saw a machine that was made to go on the water to look for gold .That would have been made in 1898 The screw was made of wood .It was about 3 ft high and 10 ft long A great bit of engineering and craftsman ship It's in a museum in Atlan BC. George

Please do George, I'd love to see any pictures you have of your model. Your reply to this thread goes to show that there isn't much new in the world when you come to think about it.


CHIMO! Derek.
__________________
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 25-05-08, 00:22
George McKenzie George McKenzie is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Northern Alberta CA
Posts: 451
Default Screw-Drive tractor



This is the screw that is in ths town of Atlin .Made in 1898 george
__________________
George is hooked on OD
5 window DT969
8 ton Fruehauf trailer
M2A1Halftrack ,CMP #11 F15A1 #13 F15A1
RAF Fordson Tractor, 42 WLC HD
No.2MK11 CT267514 center CB24713 bottom hull25701 ,No.2 MK2 parts
MK1 10128 ,(2) MK1 ,Parts Hull9305 .Hull 10407
Hull plate # 7250 all have walk plate on back steps
1917 Patent modle amphibious army tank
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 26-05-08, 04:59
George McKenzie George McKenzie is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Northern Alberta CA
Posts: 451
Default German screw drive tractor

Click image for larger version

Name:	Tank 001.jpg
Views:	732
Size:	194.3 KB
ID:	21534

This is a picture of my model tank 1918 .More to come when we get this system figured out . George
__________________
George is hooked on OD
5 window DT969
8 ton Fruehauf trailer
M2A1Halftrack ,CMP #11 F15A1 #13 F15A1
RAF Fordson Tractor, 42 WLC HD
No.2MK11 CT267514 center CB24713 bottom hull25701 ,No.2 MK2 parts
MK1 10128 ,(2) MK1 ,Parts Hull9305 .Hull 10407
Hull plate # 7250 all have walk plate on back steps
1917 Patent modle amphibious army tank
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 27-05-08, 02:46
George McKenzie George McKenzie is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Northern Alberta CA
Posts: 451
Default screw drive tractor

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMGP1042.jpg
Views:	356
Size:	172.3 KB
ID:	21540

This is the wood screw that was used in the Klondike gold rush about 1898
__________________
George is hooked on OD
5 window DT969
8 ton Fruehauf trailer
M2A1Halftrack ,CMP #11 F15A1 #13 F15A1
RAF Fordson Tractor, 42 WLC HD
No.2MK11 CT267514 center CB24713 bottom hull25701 ,No.2 MK2 parts
MK1 10128 ,(2) MK1 ,Parts Hull9305 .Hull 10407
Hull plate # 7250 all have walk plate on back steps
1917 Patent modle amphibious army tank
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 27-05-08, 03:12
George McKenzie George McKenzie is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Northern Alberta CA
Posts: 451
Default

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMGP1037.jpg
Views:	656
Size:	196.0 KB
ID:	21541
This is another picture of the model that was used to apply for a patent for an anphibious army tank .It is about 30 inches long. It had two screws and a chain in the center . The neibour kids took a screw off of it and cut out some of the windows .A fellow by the name of Sam Cody invented it .He was a Canadian working in a munition plant in Detroit in 1917 .The American army was not interested in it because they wouldn't use a foreign patent in their army . The guns were to be put on after they got it working . The model had a wind up motor to drive the screws . George
__________________
George is hooked on OD
5 window DT969
8 ton Fruehauf trailer
M2A1Halftrack ,CMP #11 F15A1 #13 F15A1
RAF Fordson Tractor, 42 WLC HD
No.2MK11 CT267514 center CB24713 bottom hull25701 ,No.2 MK2 parts
MK1 10128 ,(2) MK1 ,Parts Hull9305 .Hull 10407
Hull plate # 7250 all have walk plate on back steps
1917 Patent modle amphibious army tank
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 27-05-08, 03:35
sapper740's Avatar
sapper740 sapper740 is offline
Derek Heuring
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Corinth, Texas
Posts: 2,019
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by George McKenzie View Post
Attachment 21534

This is a picture of my model tank 1918 .More to come when we get this system figured out . George

Looks like something from Jules Verne George.



CHIMO! Derek.
__________________
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 30-05-08, 06:09
Snowy Snowy is offline
Steve
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Brisbane, Oz
Posts: 112
Default

G'day George,
That is a very interesting model. Are you saying that the other screw has been lost? It looks like it's made from galvanised tin with the blade soldered to it, so perhaps a replica could be made. But then again - there's so many other things (like vehicle restoration) that could be done instead, and not enough hours in the day

Steve.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 30-05-08, 17:23
George McKenzie George McKenzie is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Northern Alberta CA
Posts: 451
Default German screw drive tractor

Steve: You are right when you said no time . I put 350 machines in a museum .Mostly farm machines I am now restoring 13 military vehicles .and that's a slow process ,but most of them are close to the paint gun . This model is made of galvaize tin and solderd up The bottom is aluminum where the bearings go and the chain is like a byckle chain but the links are different .The windows are magnifying glass and I'm not sure how to fix them as they cut the holes bigger and to fix them with out painting it would be hard .Tow little boys that wanted some things that they didn't need George
__________________
George is hooked on OD
5 window DT969
8 ton Fruehauf trailer
M2A1Halftrack ,CMP #11 F15A1 #13 F15A1
RAF Fordson Tractor, 42 WLC HD
No.2MK11 CT267514 center CB24713 bottom hull25701 ,No.2 MK2 parts
MK1 10128 ,(2) MK1 ,Parts Hull9305 .Hull 10407
Hull plate # 7250 all have walk plate on back steps
1917 Patent modle amphibious army tank
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 21-10-09, 03:03
gjamo's Avatar
gjamo gjamo is offline
Graeme Jamieson
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Williamstown Vic Australia
Posts: 565
Default Screw drive

Great video of this concept.
Graeme

http://www.flixxy.com/snow-vehicle-concept.htm
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 21-10-09, 04:27
George McKenzie George McKenzie is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Northern Alberta CA
Posts: 451
Default

I have seen this vidio before .It sure looks like a good idea .wonder why it didn't take off? George
__________________
George is hooked on OD
5 window DT969
8 ton Fruehauf trailer
M2A1Halftrack ,CMP #11 F15A1 #13 F15A1
RAF Fordson Tractor, 42 WLC HD
No.2MK11 CT267514 center CB24713 bottom hull25701 ,No.2 MK2 parts
MK1 10128 ,(2) MK1 ,Parts Hull9305 .Hull 10407
Hull plate # 7250 all have walk plate on back steps
1917 Patent modle amphibious army tank
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 21-10-09, 11:43
Richard Coutts-Smith Richard Coutts-Smith is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Barnawartha, Victoria, Australia
Posts: 1,223
Default

Can't see it mentioned above, there was a modern version (designed and driven by Adrian ?, Hadrian? from the UK) that was the first amphibious vehicle to drive across the Bering Straight. Amazing what you can learn from Scrapyard Challenge.....
Rich.
__________________
C60S
Austin Champ x 2
Humber 1 Ton & Trailer
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 01-12-13, 14:46
Marc Montgomery's Avatar
Marc Montgomery Marc Montgomery is offline
aut viam inveniam aut fac
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 540
Default

Wow that's a pretty amazing video of the Fordson snow motor.... esp towing the two big wagons of logs....seems to be highly manouverable as well...

As George says, wonder why it didn't take off? would have been good in the north and seems a better option than say the Bombardiers that came after in terms of tractive power and certainly manoueverability... although the Bombariders offered protection from the cold
__________________
I see you stand like greyhounds in the slips,
Straining upon the start. The game's afoot!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 22:38.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Maple Leaf Up, 2003-2016